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The new Super Z Any updates?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing Equipment' started by HenryB, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,274

    Mate, even if its a bit out, mine is well fast enough believe me! Thing is, the torque of the hydros and the ample power make it virtually unstoppable. I do have to slow down if the grass is thick, wet and on slope but the deck can only get so much clippings out of it.
    I understand what your saying though.. If they say it goes "X" fast, then it should but IMO, that would be up to the dealer to sort out on pre delivery like checking the deck for level etc.

    I know your lawns are level and you keep it short so you may not see the benefit in this new machine but, put a couple hours on it and let me know what you think.
    Maybe ask dealer to bring out some G6 blades as well for comparison.
    You may miss the flex seat, I do!
  2. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,150

    I'll put a few hrs. on the mower and see what it has to offer, but remember my cutting is totally different; as a matter of fact, in the past 20 minutes, I mowed the main body of my lawn that my house sits on. I had to open a gate and cut inside where the dogs play, then cut the remainder, probably 1 1/4 acres with all trimming done by the Super Z, spent more time turning than mowing. I thought to myself, if I was not on a mower this fast, I could never finish before it got too dark to see. It really amazes me the amount of grass I can cut in a short period each time I use the mower. The grass is short and perfectly dry, meaning once I get the machine turned back into a straight direction it is immediately cutting at full speed, and the only thing that slows me down is when I make the next turn.

    The only way this new mower can increase my productivity (if it had the same 66" deck that's on mine), is to cut at a faster rate of speed, and I know the ride will be nowhere comparable because I've driven a new one with the 37 Kawi and a 72" deck for several hundred feet on relatively smooth terrain. I was thinking to myself as I was driving that the ride was not close to my mower with the flex forks and flex seat, something that makes a tremendous difference by removing the back slap, but cannot be fitted to the newly designed Super Z. There is a must that you have the ride to go along with the speed, if not you can't utilize the extra productivity.
  3. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,943

    Hustler needs to get a flex seat going soon, or just offer the iso-mounts like eXmark uses.

    This demo I had last week had flex forms, but only the suspension seat. I have regular forks but suspension seat and flex seat. The flex seat is truely one of their best innovations!

    Also, if the 2006 era flex forks were as stiff as they are made now, I'd likely have gone with them. Back then they were too soft in my opinion.
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  4. weeze

    weeze LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,974

    well i know the pumps are different but other than that. speed is speed. i think both pump designs hold up well. obviously the hustler is better because the pumps are industrial grade but the cut on the hustler isn't as good as the velocity plus.

    i guess i do have cheetah on the brain. you ever watch thunder cats cartoon back in the day? cheetara? i think that was her name. :laugh: anyways i've read alot on here about hustler cutting issues so that is steering me away from buying a hustler. i think they've got everything else figured out but they need to fix the cutting issues.

    maybe put a velocity plus deck or a 7 iron pro deck on your super z? that is the best solution. :laugh:
  5. TNGrassCutter

    TNGrassCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,321

    I would take a velocity plus deck with a hustler drive system on a frame and motor of a zd331
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  6. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,150

    What motor are you speaking of on the ZD331, you definitely have the other two main components correct.

    The Scag Cheetah may have all one needs, but I honestly can't comment with running one; I've heard positives on this machine, and would love to give one a try. The ride and handling (smoothness of hydraulics) on my Super Z are second to none, but I also have $500+ in extras to help my machine ride better.

    I change flex forks, and you're right, the first ones produced fatigued to easily. I wonder if we could verify they definitely changed the rubber compostion to adjust for the heavier machine, is there any way for you to verify this?
    Last edited: May 3, 2012
  7. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,943

    Previously I could stand on the front caster arms and jump to show people the flexing fork action. I was unable to do this with this new one!

    Also saw less side hill lean in the cut. And only made crop circles once on a rough lawn at high speed.

    The velocity plus deck needs a deck wrapper and tuck those stupid scalp wheels in somewhere.

    Or just add a couple more gallons of fuel capacity and I'd buy one!
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  8. TNGrassCutter

    TNGrassCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,321

    The 31 horse kubota diesel. I will hopefully be trying out a new super z in the next few weeks so I can give some feedback. I've been following these threads about it and seems to have mixed reviews.
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  9. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,150

    I think there are many positives about the new Super Z, especially the hydraulics with their super warranty. Depending on the grass from what I'm reading is where the cut issues come into play. The type grass I cut would more than likely never be an issue until crabgrass comes into play.

    The new Super Z my dealer is bringing me to try next week with the 37 hp Kawi on a 60" deck should never change sounds in the type grass I cut. I am also expecting the discharge to be dispersing equally across the newly designed larger opening, with a discharge distance of at least 3 cut swaths while fanning for even distribution. We will find out shortly what the true differences may actually be in my cutting situation.

    The 31 Kubota diesel is, in my opinion, the best zero turn diesel engine made, but I can tell you now without reservation it will not have the power of the big block Vanguard, Generac, and possibly the Kawasaki. The fuel consumption is in the .5 gph range with the 31 Kubota diesel.
    Last edited: May 3, 2012
  10. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,527

    You should have him bring you a 72 37 Horse


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