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The Ultimate Operator!!!

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Husky, Aug 5, 2003.

  1. Husky

    Husky LawnSite Member
    Messages: 176

    YES! It's scenario time!!!!

    Your target market is heavy residential of 1/8 to just under 1/2 acre, so 1/4 or there abouts.
    You service commercial here and there, but tend to stay on the light commercial size. i.e small to mid-size office building.

    You have 200,000 capital.

    Your goal:

    1. Build the ULTIMATE crew...

    2. Give a detailed(down to the blades and the type of discharge) description of what will be aboard this crew.

    how many people would you run since you are HEAVY residential a 3 man crew may be pointless or is it?

    How many mowers, remember you may have some tight spots on your small commercial properties, and may be even tighter in residential areas?

    Because you work mainly in the residential field you will deal with LOTS of client as opposed to a smaller number when taking on larger commercial accounts. Because of this, you must consider everything.. Thingsa like bagging options mulching Side discharge....types of blades,,, OCDC? types of mowers, edgers...

    After you have made decisions on the truck and trailer...mowers and all other options..

    Decide in what order things wil be done...Crew member 1 will start oing X while crew member 2 does Y.....let people know what would be most eficent..

    You can decide to cut costs by keeping yourself in the crew, or leave yourself completely out...remember this is the ULTIMATE CREW...maybe your not good enough....LOL..and have to draft purchase players from other teams...

    Threads like this give us some kind of goal to aim for while introducing new comers that will be running a small crew or solo, what a great setup in everyones opinion could be like, and how it would function.

    Thanks for your posts..
    I'm excited to see the results!!!!

    Remember you can't just mow the yard, it must look the BEST it possibly can, while appealing to neighbors to build your reputation, and making your client HAPPY....

    Oh and the Walker mower.......can't have them but tell people if you would have them in the crew, and then just add your next most reputable maker....Hope Gravely Man doesn't hate me now....lol

  2. BSDeality

    BSDeality LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,849

    I'll take a stab at this to get some conversation going.

    Starting Capital: $200,000
    Target Market: upscale residential & Small Commercial

    Crew: Myself and a helper. Helper will be one that owns dirt bikes/quads/restored cars and has a welder/torch or fabrication skills. This isn't so much to build me stuff or repair stuff (i do all of the above), it just shows that (s)he's "well-rounded" I'll be payin this person $11+/hr depending on quality of their work and effeciency

    Truck: Ford F250 Diesel with tow package and long bed. $40,000

    Balance left: $160,000

    Trailer: 7x16. $2,500

    Balance left: $157,500

    1 Gravely 260z w/ high lift and gator doubles and a master chute. i don't bag
    anything. $9,000
    2 exmark 48" walk behinds $5,000 ea? (not really sure on the price)
    21" trimmer $200

    2 48"'ers would allow the most flexibility, ie for small yards one guy mows and the other trims and blows, while the slightly larger yards one guy can zip around on the Z while the other uses the 48, then both trim/blow. Pick your lawns so you don't have to use the 21" hardly at all. No single gates, no landscape mazes.

    Balance Left: $138,300

    Trimmers & Blowers & other handtools

    2 Shindaiwa T-230's $250 ea
    1 Shindaiwa T-260 $300 (for thick stuff)

    2 Echo PB-750T's $500ea

    Balance Left: $136,500

    Office stuff: PC w/ Gopher Software for billing/scheduling. $1,500

    Balance Left: $135,000

    The rest i'd put towards the following as necessary. (think landscaping)

    hand tools, shovels, rakes, wheel barrows, etc.
    hedge clippers, pole pruners, power brooms
    property/shop/material dump site.
    truck mount leaf sucker
    dump trailer
    enclosed trailer
    dual/triaxle for material handling (pre-owned)
    Gehl or Bobcat (think pre-owned to save some cash)
    tampers (rental yards are great places to pick up one of these cheap.)
    kubota tire machine loader/backhoe (again think pre-owned)
    lazer level
    CAT 310/311/312 excavator (again think pre-owned)

    My goals would be to establish a customer base then start pushing landscaping. Patios, pavers, rock walls and ponds are really taking off now. for example, a $20k investment in a used bobcat can be paid off in 4 good-sized paver jobs.

    I'd also look into excavation/grading work. Get the job from start to finish and then get the maintenance work.

    Just my $.02

    lemme know what you guys think of it.
  3. fblandscape

    fblandscape Banned
    Messages: 776

    What I would comprise the equipment of:

    Truck: F350XL w/ A/C turbo diesel 4x4 w/ 9' dump bed, underbody tool box, blizzard plow, and electric sander. ~$45,000 - $50,000

    Trailer: 16' enclosed w/ V nose with all racks required

    Mowers: Walker Model T with various deck sizes (60" SD / 48" GHS / preferator / tine rake) ~$15,000

    Great Dane 61" super surfer w/22HP Kohler engine ~$7,000

    Great Dane Gateway ~$4,000????

    Honda 21" commercial self propelled w/ hydrostatic tranny

    Little Wonder blower w/ 9HP Honda
    (2) T260 trimmers
    (1) stick edger
    (2) Shindiawa PB630 blowers
    (1) Stihl MS260 PRO
    Various rakes / shovels / etc.
    Tool box with basic tools
    Replacement parts for things that break on a regular basis (belts / blades / tire tubes)
    (1) chain 20'
    Cell phone for crew
    Cooler for food / drinks
    First aid kit
    Small amount of money for any emergencies
    Gas cans

    I would send that out as a 2 or 3 man crew depending on the work load for the day.
    1 guy mows, 2nd guy trims / blows 3rd guy mows a small part and then trims / blows.

    I would keep myself out of the crew and concentrate on selling. The rest of the money would go in to the bank and be kept there for break downs / future purchases when warranted / to cover costs during slow times / expansion / etc.
  4. dmk395

    dmk395 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Ma
    Messages: 1,006

    You guys have way to much free time on your hands.
  5. GLAN

    GLAN Banned
    Messages: 1,647

    Take the $200,000.00 drop it into a mutual fund........:D
  6. Lombardi

    Lombardi LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 538

    And watch your principal/investment decline rapidly every month.

    from AL
    Messages: 656

    Thank You.
  8. Husky

    Husky LawnSite Member
    Messages: 176

    No enclosed trailers yet...well, 1 said he would purchase one, but many for landscaping material... Thats interesting, how to lock up all your equipment,, and rain is another issue...

    I like your ideas so far.. To much time on our hands... I think it may be a slightly longer post,,but its interesting to see everyones view on the subject,,,take a couple minutes and post.......the skies the limit with 200,000.00...........
  9. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
    from NJ
    Messages: 10,178

    well, ive thought about it, and think u guys are a bit crazy with your money. $200, 000? lets see, 50 grand on truck and equipment, 100 grand to pay off the mortgage, 6 grand for a plane ticket to send my toothless mother in law to the other side of the planet, 17 bucks for a new bong, 18 bucks for a 30 pack, and that leaves....43, 965 beans for a rainy day.
  10. Phishook

    Phishook LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,143

    invest in a few lake front properties, rent them out, and sell out.

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