The other day I visited a customer on our to do list to find out his choice of retaining wall color and decided to drive by a house that I gave an estimate to the year before. House had about 15' to the lot line and about 10' of drop. About 60' long. Shot the guy a pretty fair price on a quality retaining wall as he also needed a lawn and two other small walls. They whined about their cost overruns etc... so I new I'd never get it. On my drive by I almost LMAO. They were stacking landscape timbers (not 6x6, the 3x3.5 jobs) and had them up almost the full 8'. No deadmen nothing that I could see. Where there's a will there's a cheap pocketbook and a dangerous wall.