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Tires. Replacement for Carlisle 24x12x12 Turf Master

Discussion in 'Mechanic and Repair' started by captken, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. Johnagain

    Johnagain LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 447

    I was hesitant about the AT101 tires also but after getting stuck a on lakefront edges weekly I decided to try them. They will be the only tire I will run again on a ZTR. I'm able to get 1-2 ft closer to water edge now and that saves tons of trimming time. They do take a little time to get use to but once you master them you'll love them. You'll find that you MUST do a three point turn or you'll tear up turf. That is really the only time you can damage turf. Until you use them you'll never know how good they are.
     
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  2. danell10

    danell10 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 197

    Carlisle makes damn good tires as you know. You could look at Kenda tires. I've had some. They're good quality and cheaper than Carlisle.
     
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  3. flintknapper

    flintknapper LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 303

    If you don't want to go with the AT-101's there is an 'in between' tire that I've been very happy with. Deestone D265 BUT...make SURE you get the zig-zag tread NOT the chevron tread. These don't tear up a lawn and do well in wet grass and on hills. They have pulled me through some muddy spots (albeit spinning) that caught me by surprise also. They do come in your size, but again...be mindful of the tread pattern (see pic).

    https://www.amazon.com/24x12-00-12-DEESTONE-Turf-Lawn-Tubeless/dp/B013P5MTBY#customerReviews

    Deestone D265_b.jpg
    Deestone D265_a.jpg
    Deestone D265.jpg
     
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  4. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Michigan
    Messages: 22,710

    Those deestone's are a chinese copy of the Carlisle Turf Saver's. IME with the TS's they are quite slick on wet grass and get work hardened quickly. They last forever due to their hardness, but as I said- are slick. Maybe the chinese are using a softer compound.
     
  5. flintknapper

    flintknapper LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 303

    The 'turf saver' pattern (a closely situated Chevron pattern) is the one I warned against. There would not be any distinct advantage to them IMO. The 'zig-zag' patterned ones (as shown in the link and on my mower) do a pretty good job and are in no way 'hard' rubber. I've been running them for about 5 yrs. and have been pleased with them.

    chevron.jpg zig zag.jpg
     
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  6. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Michigan
    Messages: 22,710

    Well, in your post and pics you mention the chevron vs zig zag tread, where no tire in your pics is actually a chevron tread, and then you have a picture of your tire on top of a Carlisle Turf Master, which is why I mentioned the Turf Saver specifically by name, since it is the one with the tread pattern that deestone copied in your pics.

    Regardless, there are several other tires that are in between chevron and turf designs that would be much better suited than those deestones as far as quality and traction goes. There are a couple threads on here with lots of pics of those tires.
     
  7. rippinryno

    rippinryno LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,339

    Thanks for the info on those flint, i've yet to give them a shot but they look decent. I typically stick to my turf treads, i figure there's a reason so many manufacturers run them, and honestly i'm in flat land.
     
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  8. flintknapper

    flintknapper LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 303

    You can argue the semantics (Chevron) with these tire folks if you like...I'm really not interested.

    https://www.kenjones.com/lawn-mower-tread-design-guide

    The point I apparently failed to make with you is that there are two distinctly different Deestone D265 tread patterns and one of them (Chevron/Other) is not different enough from the OP's original tread to be worth making the switch. Alternately the zig-zag patterned one (or whatever name suits you) does offer increased traction and might be a viable option for those not wanting to go to a full on traction lug.

    That was my offering...nothing more or less. Thank you for your input.
     
  9. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Michigan
    Messages: 22,710

    I get it. The point I was making (for those who may be doing a search and find this site, or for those reading and not posting here) was that words matter.

    I responded originally based on your first post and pictures, and to that, my response was factual and accurate. I certainly don't know everything, but one thing I do know is that folks like accurate information when trying to find help. I do my best to post accurate info to avoid causing anyone else the headaches I have got in the past when doing a search for something only to find out later that the info I had read was wrong or at least not completely accurate.

    Just for the record (which many here already know) these are chevron tread tires below. You can see there is quite a difference between them and the other tread patterns in your pics :)-

    100_5097.jpg

    100_2107.jpg
     
  10. Skeeterman

    Skeeterman LawnSite Member
    Messages: 144

    The Chinese tires are smaller than the big name brand tires even though the size stamped on the tire my be the same, there metric sized , normally shorter and narrower, that’s what I ran into when I bought some Deestones yrs ago.
     
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