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I need some advice. I am going to purchase a new ZTR and it will either be a Toro ZTR 355 27hp petrol or a Walker 21hp diesel. I need the mower to cut 3 acres residential flat with a couple of small mounds. Pretty normal conditions most of the time. Will be bagging 90%. In New Zealand $$$ the Toro is about $22,000 and the Walker about $32,000. Toro have just reduced their price,s but the Walker,s have not moved. The NZ$ has appreciated against the US$ about 26% in the last 12 months and Toro looks like they are passing on the savings to the consumer which is good. Any advice on either mower would be very welcome but at the moment I am thinking Toro because of the big $$$ difference. Cheers
 

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Speaking from a personal standpoint, I would go with the Walker. It is the standard from which the others try to copy. More options for attatchments, easier to use and better resale. I have a Walker and have read many opinions from those who had a Toro. I have never tried one but then again I don't have to because I have a Walker.
If you have the application for this type of machine then spend the money and buy a Walker. BTW I hope those numbers are not U.S. dollars. If so then you folks better be making big bucks to mow. Good Luck.
 

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Royal Oaks,

If your going to be using this on a 3 acre lawn, I'd go to something different than a Walker, or Walker-like mower. Unless you NEED to bag those 3 acres, I'd rather see you on a ZTR MIDMOUNT. Larger decks, faster speed, cheaper, and IMO more versitile.

Don't get me wrong, there is no substitute for a Walker if you HAVE TO BAG. But....You didn't mention that in your post.

Are you a LCO or a homeowner?
 

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I must have missed that in the translation from Kiwi to English! :rolleyes: :D :D :D

Wow, bag 3 acres of grass!:eek:
 

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Hi folks,

I'll duck as I post this:)

I own a 25hp Walker with a high lifter on the 9 bushell catcher, very maneuravable, and the high lift was very good, But, these machines with their small drive tyres can't compare to larger tyres on the Toro Z 355, the Walker cannot handle slopes as well as the toro, but in tight areas and easy conditions a walker is great.

I bought a Z 355 Toro 6 months ago and to get back on the walker considering both cost the same, 2nd hand walker with high lift catcher was the same price as a new toro, is a weird feeling, one feels and looks and is built for commercial use, the walker is lighter, smaller, and the high set catcher even models without high lift are bulky and easy to damage, the toro is far better designed and constructed, unbreakable, go anywhere type of machine, and the mechanics are sooo simple, unlike the complex hydrostat system of walker's.

The catching system on the Walker is very dusty and dirty compared to the better sealed toro catcher. Toro blower systems don't block up like a walker's either, and very easy to clean. Exceptional fan!

Options, With Toro Z355 you get a deck that mulches fantastic, all I use, change baffles and you catch, equally as good as walker which is a leader in catching.

With a standard 48 inch walker deck you have a catching system only, the catcher blower always is on, more moving parts to wear, and if you want to leave the clippings you can buy a sheet metal attachment that keeps the catcher door partially open to spray the clippings out behind you.

The Toro options are better as you shouldn't mulch the same lawn all the time, you should do a clean mow a couple times a year, so the toro gives you 2 dedicated modes, and both are as good as you get.

And catching clippings everytime, been there, done that, and that's how you lose your profits, if you must catch, only dump on the clients property, I learn't the hard way, that's why I love mulching!

As far as build, you couldn't hurt the Toro, walker is very light, actually I call them light commercial/estate mowers, Toro fully commercial.

With a non or cheaply dampened steering linkage system like the walker you get super soft steering, but with those little gripless tyres you can scuff if not cautious very easily.
Catching grass on slopes is an interesting feeling with a high lift catcher walker, and going up a slope to exit with a full bin, hopeless feeling of no traction is a bit annoying, the toro just climbs seems to have more torgue, and those bigger wheels sure help.

Toro has hydraulic dampening, steering is a lot firmer making lots of fiddley work a pain but is better on the big areas as it tracks easier on it's own.

Toro you need to push the levers forward or back to get action like a midmount, the walker has a forward control lever so you push it like a throttle/speed control and use the levers just for steering, I do like that system, very easy to get used to.

Finally, the Toro is Far stronger built, better in my opinion hydraulic system, mulch/catch deck is excellent, and the grass hopper is far superior.

Walker, mine is an expensive back up mower, not used since I bought the toro. Lighly built which has advantages and many disadvantages, good around buildings, no good for fast open mowing, and to only be a catch mower makes it hard to justify the expense, when toro give you a mulching option which you will love and use more than you think.

Both cut great, Both catch clippings as good as the other, toro build is better, heavier steering, but gives you a total mowing machine, not a one mode like walker.

I know walker is the brains behind these types of machines and they make machines that cut exceptionally well and I believe also that other brands have set out to copy them, the toro z355 is the first good machine like this, they stuffed up on other tries but this model is a winner.

If you can, place both machines side by side, you will easily see why I bought a toro when I had a walker already, if you work on rough terrain, slopes forget walker, simple as that, only good on smooth mowing conditions and tight areas in my opinion as an owner of both comparing them as honestly as I can.

I am not bagging walkers in any way despite this comparison, it is only a friendly comparison between 2 machines built for different applications.

Please other walker owners, don't growl at me for these comments, your machines are fine for what you obviously use them for, I just prefer the toro, everyone to their own opinion eh?

The diesel engine in the Walker...in my opinion :) The engine will outlast the machine easily. But I wouldn't go for a diesel in this size of mower.

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Tony
 

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Did you say your Walker has the All Seasons high lift to dump the catcher into a truck bed? If so then there is no comparison in handling. I have 4 Walkers one of which has the high lift. It is a different machine and can't be compared to the Toro for handling. My other Walkers out climb my Exmark metro. By the way I'm phasing out my Walkers and going more and more to my belly mounts.
 

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Yes, my Walker has a highlift catcher...maybe if they produced a lower but wider catcher like a toro catcher the machine would have better handling, but as said, comparing a high lift catcher walker to a non high lift catcher toro is unfair, sorry.As far as general handling the wider wheelbase Toro with bigger wheels will always out perform the walker in handling and stability.

The '99 model Toro....I have a feeling this could be a year or 2 model behind the current version as I remember a demo of one of these against a walker that year and the walker killed it!

That version/year was the last of the tries to copy walker, the toro's were crap, but the next model produced after that year toro got their act together and produced a good machine, and since mine I hear they even made more improvements to refinement etc....

I too am moving toward a midmount, so far Hustler's Super Z has done better at a demo here than the Ferris in comfort and mowing ability and quality, no exmarks around these parts pity.
I think I'll keep the Toro though as the catcher houses a spray tank connected to a boom that clips to the rear all wired to a switch on the dash, and a 48" deck can be handy where the 60" can be awkward.

The Walker is currently for sale, too light and expensive to maintain, they aren't in the league as the toro Z355 or even large areas where midmounts dominate, not in the commercial world in my opinion.

Tony
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For 3 acres you may want a walk behind. That would put a couple hours on it per week. Where I was cutting 12+ with a honda 21" last year I cut in 3 hours with my 20hp Walker. It's nice and fast but used a half day every Thurs, that's it. Thankfully I just bought an acre to warrent me to keep it. I do love it.
It goes under trees better than anything on the market, that was a main reason for me to buy it.
With all the trees, straight lines and garden edges, mine rarely goes full speed for more than a few stripes then I am slowing it. And to dump grass I am driving through residential common areas to get to the truck, so I couldn't do the 15mph. Speed is not a necessity. Try both (and others) and then sit and think.
 

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What are you guys calling a "high lift catcher"? I have a walker with the 9.8 bushel catcher, is that what you are referring to. I had the smaller hopper on my previous walker and liked it better, lighter and didn't get in the way as much.. I use a mulching deck 8 month of the year and it works great:cool:
 

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A high lift catcher will dump into a pickup truck from your seat. The mechanism raises the hopper a few inches. This raises the center of gravity.
 
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