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Looking for a small track loader for fine grade and general landscaping. I have three in mind case 420, tak tl130 or cat 247 b series II. Anybody have any experience on any of these machines? Any help would be appreciated.
 

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the 130 is an absolute amazing machine...i haven't run it a whole lot in the past year because i have been in the "real" machines so to speak, but with what you are looking for the TK will surpass all your needs....we looked at the CATS when we went to buy but they are a lot more expensive and the dealer support (in this area) isn't so great...and we own a few other CAT machines as well....anyway...demo them all but pound for pound i think the TK will impress you a lot
 

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I have ran a case 420 and it was a 2 series so it was a little under powered but the newest series, 3 series, they added 20 horse to it so I am sure it is a lot better machine.. Also the visibility out of the rear and behind the tracks was left a little to be desired.. The visibility behind the tracks is understandable being that the way it is built.. and the visibility out of the rear isnt great but you can get by.. Over all it was really easy to grade with compared to hand and foot controls and I picked up the H controls real fast.
 

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If you are doing fine grade and landscaping I think you will be happier with your results if you go with the Cat, it isn't going to tear up the ground the way a CTL does.
 

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well the cat is the first one i have demo'd. Demo'd a taki tl150 year and a half ago before we bought a wheel loader. Im a huge fan of taki s , i have a tb135 and love it) but the cat impressed me alot. nice power, smooth riding and was climbing and grading some sand berms that i couldnt believe i was doing. the downsides I have seen so far are the door swinging open instead of rolling up and lack of loader breakout force and curl force. I can let this one slide since it wont be use to much for heavy digging. The tl 130 is next on the demo list for sure. Just talked to case and taki dealer (same salesman they deal in both) this morning and said not to bother with the case. The taki would run it under the table and was considerably less money two.

I have to agree with ron on fuel consumption. The cat salesman here has been doing a lot of research that issue. He says 246 II uses around 2.7 gal/hour., not to get off subject but he says the 277c & 287c uses only about 2.4 g/hr. Hard to believe but I know a guy that traded in a 2 tl 150s one with 300hrs and one with 1500 hr because he was burning as much fuel in 2 277c's than 1 tl 150. That adds up to a large number over the course of a year!!
One last thing, 39,5 for the cat, cab heat air, 72" bucket and 4 year major component warranty. Doesnt sound bad
 

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The old 246's had a smaller displacement engine than the 277's, and the injector pumps were obviously jacked up to get the power, but the new 246C has a bigger frame to accommodate the newer engine. I burn roughly 2.2 gallons per hour, but I have yet to get the fuel light to go on when the tank is low, so it's hard for me to place an accurate number on fuel consumption.

Izzy and Kubota's will burn more in skid steers due to the pumps always being under constant power, put those engines into excavators, and you get better fuel economy. A good example is the Izzy in the Hitachi ZX75 my Dad bought, it has the same engine as the Takeuchi TL130, we get 2 days on a 32 gallon tank, 2 gallons per hour, the TL130 will get (according to some of the members here) 1 day at best.
 

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The TL 130 has a yanmar engine in it.
My TL 140 has a Izuzu engine and I have never had too fill up during the day.
The TL150 uses only a couple tenths more gallons per hour than my TL140.

One other thing you have too look at how fast a machine will do the job as well as fuel burned per hour.
Oh and my Kubota excavator guzzles fuel.
 

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well the cat is the first one i have demo'd. Demo'd a taki tl150 year and a half ago before we bought a wheel loader. Im a huge fan of taki s , i have a tb135 and love it) but the cat impressed me alot. nice power, smooth riding and was climbing and grading some sand berms that i couldnt believe i was doing. the downsides I have seen so far are the door swinging open instead of rolling up and lack of loader breakout force and curl force. I can let this one slide since it wont be use to much for heavy digging. The tl 130 is next on the demo list for sure. Just talked to case and taki dealer (same salesman they deal in both) this morning and said not to bother with the case. The taki would run it under the table and was considerably less money two.

I have to agree with ron on fuel consumption. The cat salesman here has been doing a lot of research that issue. He says 246 II uses around 2.7 gal/hour., not to get off subject but he says the 277c & 287c uses only about 2.4 g/hr. Hard to believe but I know a guy that traded in a 2 tl 150s one with 300hrs and one with 1500 hr because he was burning as much fuel in 2 277c's than 1 tl 150. That adds up to a large number over the course of a year!!
One last thing, 39,5 for the cat, cab heat air, 72" bucket and 4 year major component warranty. Doesnt sound bad
The Series 3 420 CT is much more competative than the initial series. I don't know if they have Series 3 420 to demo but it would be more competative with the TL130 than the first series. The 440 CT Series 3 is a bigger machine than the 420 but much more powerful. The 440 CT is only three foot pounds less in torque than the TL150 but substantially more compact and manueverable. The CASE dealer here sells CASE and TK as well. As the CASE tracked machines have been out now for a while, the dealer has been more comfident in selling them. They sell more of the 440 sized tracked machines in the CASE brand. As far as the larger machines go they more of the 150 sized TK than the CASE machines. I would look at the CASE 440 CT original series or the Series 3 and compare it against anything on the market and for pure excavating ability it cant be beat. The 420 sized machines are not that popular here so I only know what I am told. I know of only one 420 CT in this area. The 440 machines a very popular.
 

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ksss is your 440 a ct? how do you like it if it is?
My 440 is wheeled. However, I was part of a CASE customer evaluation of the CT models in AZ. Present also as a basis of comparison were the CAT 277B, TK 140, BC S250 and a Komatsu (cant recall the model.

The 440 CT dominated the excavation excercises of the tests. No machine dominated every aspect of all the tests but for me the strong performance in this aspect was important to me. The machine dominated every other machine present, even in hard Caliche of AZ, its ability to put power to the ground impressed everyone, especially the competative owners. I owned a 440 so I know how powerful they are in wheeled form, but tracks on it and its incredible. The Series 3 machines have even more torque. Like I said the 440 CT has sold itself. The dealership here had pushed the TK machines prior to the CT release and did well with them. However once a couple 440 CTs sold and the machines performance became well known, they sell easily to those in market for such a machine. They have not sold any of the large 450 machines here, those sales still seem to go to the TK150. However the smaller market is owned by the 440 CT machine.

If your in the market for a machine this size, it would worth the time to demo this machine. Especially if you are going to work this machine in hard digging operations, the machine will really shine. If your going to use it in more of a lift and carry type operations, than your not playing to its strongest attributes.
 

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We've now been looking at adding a CTL as well with the 247B2 and the TL 130 on the short list. THe Cat performed awesome but is $5k more than the Tak. The Tak is $30k for an open cab but the dealer wont allow us to demo the machine ... they said they don't do demos? A little leary on making decisions without testing it but the reviews on here have been very positive and at 5000 less, seems like a better deal.
 

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We've now been looking at adding a CTL as well with the 247B2 and the TL 130 on the short list. THe Cat performed awesome but is $5k more than the Tak. The Tak is $30k for an open cab but the dealer wont allow us to demo the machine ... they said they don't do demos? A little leary on making decisions without testing it but the reviews on here have been very positive and at 5000 less, seems like a better deal.
A dealer that doesn't do demos? I'll beat they don't sell many machines with that type of policy.
 
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