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Using grains on lawns-Proteins!

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by michaelthomas1, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. starry night

    starry night LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,267

    I'm not sure but I'm curious as to what parts of the corn grain remains after the distilling process. Chemically and physically, what is taken out and what remains?
    Marcos, I presume you are using dried DG? Also, what kind of operation are you getting it from?

    I'm seeing a lot of red thread here, too. But, like you, not so much on my organic lawns.
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  2. White Gardens

    White Gardens LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,776

    Try this. It's just Wikipedia, so I'm sure there might be some flaws.

    Ethanol Production

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  3. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    Where do I get it?
    A very well-established well-known Midwest-based Ag distributor.

    In this article & in Ag circles, DG is always referred to as DDGS, or "dried distillers grains with solubles". This link is very much farm-related, but it's still very much worth the time to read because it looks at DG's fertilizer potential from an Ag perspective, looking out:


    Obviously ethanol production has grown exponentially since this Ag-related link was released about 3 years ago.
    In the US with more & more ethanol plants coming on-line combined with higher beef prices (driven partially by higher foreign demand), market forces are such that both forms of DG most likely will remain plentiful, & thus relatively affordable.
    This is great news for livestock farmers who (according to this link) use by far the majority of distillers grains produced as cattle feed.
    And of course this is also a great deal for "specialty market" buyers, like us.

    Clue: If you're considering early order load-your-shed savings deals this fall, and you're considering DG as a part of that package, don't listen to or read corn futures! :)
    Last edited: May 27, 2011
  4. starry night

    starry night LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,267

    Marcos, I wasn't trying to "steal" your source. I just meant the original source e.g. ethanol production.
  5. White Gardens

    White Gardens LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,776

    As someone who was hauling Gluten for cattle feed for a while I have to disagree. Corn Futures do have an impact on DDGS.

    It always seemed to fluctuate with the rise in feed prices coupled by the Europeans who are the biggest consumers of DDGS products for cattle feed. (they won't feed american bio-engineered products directly to their livestock but they'll buy the DDGS with no problems. :hammerhead:). Last year when Europe had their debt crisis and credit dried up for them, the price of DDGS went through the roof.

    Farmers used to get DDGS for free, then they started to charge for it once the Ethanol plants seen a demand for it and could also make some money to keep them in the black. It's been a while since I've been to the ethanol plant, but I'm guessing the pricing keeps going up.

    At some point I'm guessing the DDGS isn't going to be viable for LCO's when the price hits a certain point.

    And I just took a gander at the pricing. It's more than double what it was this time last year. Dry DDGS was at $50 a ton last year, now it's almost tripled. Corn Gluten Meal has almost gone up 5 times also, and that is the high protein stuff that is used for lawn applications.

    DDGS Pricing

    Last edited: May 27, 2011
  6. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    About 11 months ago DDGS was hovering around $160 / ton.
    The closest it's been to $50 / ton in recent years was May / June '05 when it bottomed out a few times at around $75 / ton.

    If last year you purchased DDGS at $50 / ton ($1.25 / 50# sack), you probably got a deal on product deemed spoiled, or otherwise unsuitable as a livestock feed.
  7. notchy

    notchy LawnSite Member
    Messages: 9

    Are you still using DDGS?
    Is it effective as a fertilizer?
    How about preventing seed germination?
    This thread is old and wanted to get current info as I have googled and the results are from 2008 studies.

  8. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
    Messages: 1,575

    Do they work? From what I've read and learned from my peers, definitely yes. However, application rates are very high. You almost have to mulch with them. They rot: get a sustained wet period like I'm working with now, and that stuff will mold up and STINK/look like something the cat coughed up. They attract rodents.
  9. notchy

    notchy LawnSite Member
    Messages: 9

    I have read that the application rate for organic fertilizer is from 15lbs - 20lbs per 1000 sq ft. So yes organic fertilizers have to be used at a higher rate compared to the synthetic fertilizer.
  10. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,146

    That is not necessarily true. There are newer organic ferts with lower app rates. Also if you know how to read soil tests and male proper adjustment for pH, Cation Exchange Capacity, Calcium-Magnesium Exchange and Soil Organic Matter, soil microbes will make more N in the soil plant available.

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