Waiver with Future Client

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by cutman2000, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. cutman2000

    cutman2000 LawnSite Member
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    Im getting ready to do a job for a company(12/2011). I wont have insurance until around Feb(2012). They emailed me a waiver to sign. It has me in the waiver as an individual and my company, which is an LLC separately. My concerns is:
    #1. Is this ok to sign a contract holding me liable and my LLC company liable?
    #2. How would I cancel me as a liable individual once my insurance becomes established under my companies name and I continue to work for this company?

    I don't understand why I would have to sign as an individual also if my company is LLC. What would be the purpose of having an LLC if they want me to sign separately as an individual also, which they could sue me along with my company. Is this politically correct on their part?
  2. wbw

    wbw LawnSite Fanatic
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    I am not really sure what you are asking. What type of waiver? Give us some more info and you will get some responces.
  3. KrayzKajun

    KrayzKajun LawnSite Fanatic
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    why dont you have insurance now?
  4. GreenI.A.

    GreenI.A. LawnSite Silver Member
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    A common misconception of having an LLC is that it removes personal liability. It does not. As a solo operator, if you do something which causes damage or harm to others then the company can be sued as well as you. You are then liable for anything you are found personally at fault for. Where LLC seperates you personally and the business is if the act is caused by an employee and was beyond your control. For example an employee causes severe damage due to neglect on a customers property or causes an accident when running a red light. Then the business can be sued and the employee who caused the act, you are personally protected. Now say the employee, who ran the light did so because the brakes failed and it is found that the vehicle was not properly maintained. You, as the owner can then be personally sued, as you personally neglected to maintain the vehicle.

    I have had to sign a simular insurance clause for one of my large contractors I sub for doing installs. It is basically so if I destroy one of their 5 million dollar homes, I cant just file bankruptcy and shut down the business, I will still be personally responsible for what is found to be my fault. Most insurance companies will add a clause to your general liability to cover you personally for anything you are sued for relating to the business.
  5. DA Quality Lawn & YS

    DA Quality Lawn & YS LawnSite Fanatic
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    start your insurance now and then problem solved.
  6. JB1

    JB1 LawnSite Fanatic
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    sign a waiver and something happens, your still screwed.
  7. cutman2000

    cutman2000 LawnSite Member
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    They want me to sign as an individual and my company. 2 separate liable parties, me and my (LLC)comapny. Why would I sign as an individual, leaving me personally liable?

    Also I didnt know I could get personally sued if I owned(the LLC company) and was responsible for the accident. So the LLC protects me personally from my employees costing me money by being sued, but not myself if I caused or was responsible for the accident?
  8. JContracting

    JContracting LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Ask an your attorney or cpa to get the correct answer. Not saying these guys don't know anything but I take anything on here related to laws, insurance, business structure, etc with a grain of salt.
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  9. GreenI.A.

    GreenI.A. LawnSite Silver Member
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    My history with this was back about 7=8 years ago I worked for a company. I rearended a car stopped in trafic and caused a pretty serious 5 car accident, 3 people with serious injuries, 1 person medflighted. Because I was an employee, the owner was protected from the original suit. The company was sued and I was sued personally. During the investigation it was found that the ABS brakes were faulty, the owner did his own maintenance on the vehicles, he was then added onto the law suit as well. Thats how I learnt that the vehicle/equipment operator can be sued weather they are the owner or an employee.

    When I set up my LLC, I worked extensively with my attorney on this and got alot of imforation. I basically have to liability insurances, my regular General Liability, and then a personal policy that only comes into effect if I am personally sued due to business issues. But still double check with your own attorney, because laws could be different in your state

    NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Why are you working period without liability insurance? Would you drive your truck without insurance? or maybe you dont even have vehicle insurance either, explain your situation for not having insurance and/or why are you waiting to get insurance?

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