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weed and feed? granules or liquid

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Christian Brothers, May 1, 2009.

  1. Christian Brothers

    Christian Brothers LawnSite Member
    Messages: 36

    i would like to know what you guys opinions are on the preference of liquid or granular weed and feeds for lawns. fertilizers, weed control, pesticides, herbicides, sprays or spreaders you name it. im trying to decide to either go with an all liquid or all granular approach to weed and feed for turf care. i prefer, as of right now, all liquid. i go with all natural as well. i dont use any synthetics. therefore no license is required as long as all the active and inert ingredients are on the EPA exempt list. (25b and 4A)
  2. mngrassguy

    mngrassguy LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,167

    WRONG. In most states, you need a license to apply ANY pesticide, organic or not. Also, there is no such thing as an organic pesticide. Weed n feeds are synthetic and don't work well. Period.

    If you don't use synthetics, your in the wrong forum.
  3. bx24

    bx24 LawnSite Senior Member
    from MA/TX
    Messages: 503

    I agree and that is lawns OTHER then your own. If you own lawn, you can apply whatever you have.
  4. LushGreenLawn

    LushGreenLawn LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,120

    His post was referencing the post above his. There no mention of it being the posters lawn.

    He is right about having to have a license to apply any type of weed killer. If you are applying anything, and telling a customer it will kill any type of pest, including weeds, you need a license.

    If you spit on a weed, and tell the customer it was to kill the weed, you need an application license.
  5. bx24

    bx24 LawnSite Senior Member
    from MA/TX
    Messages: 503

    Again I agree but the org post did not say other lawns but his...Just says lawns..That could mean other things.

    If he has more then (1) property (aka his own property/lawns) he can apply whatever he wants on his own property.

    But I see ZERO license people in TX daily....Been that way for years.
  6. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,448

    If you don't want to use any man made controls.... go to the organic forum... and yes, if you apply CGM as a crab grass preventative, you still need to be certified.

    An "organic" weed and feed... now I've heard it all.
  7. Christian Brothers

    Christian Brothers LawnSite Member
    Messages: 36

    this is part of an ongoing e-mail i had with Edward Burgess. Who is Ph.D.Extension Coordinator, PSEP Coordinator, Livestock & Tobacco Entomologist University of Tennessee Dept. of Entomology & Plant Pathology. Which is in the state of tennessee so he may have just been referring to this state but the E.P.A guidlines are there for the whole country. If you read below you can see that he states as long as the product ONLY contains the ingredients on the 25b exempt list which is active ingredients and 4a which is inactive ingredients then you do not need a license. and as for the comments about no such thing as organic weed and feed. maybe i should've used the word "natural". If i kill weeds using products that only contain natural ingredients such as Premerge (which prevents weed seeds from germinating) or Burnout ll (which kill the weed root and all) and these are both natural. Premerge is simply corn gluten and Burnout ll is made of vinegar and natural plant oils plus other natural ingredients and if i use bio-enhanced fertilizers which are also made the same way, all natural ingredients and if i use compost or mulch to smother weeds and return natural nutrients to the soil and other things as well then i have a natural and organic weed and feed program. these products and more info can be found at these web sites. www.backto-nature.com and www.natureslawn.com. we run an all natural, all organic, chemical free, land and lawn care business. i've done extensive studies on everything to what is right and wrong. i'm not saying i'm right but from what i've researched i'm not wrong. i didnt post the forum to debate. i just wanted opinions. i dont criticize anyone for using harmful chemicals the kill microbes and organisms that nature uses to do exactly what we try to do with weed and feed programs. i thought we were supposed to help each other out. i guess i am in the wrong forum afterall.

    The weed control would have to be on the EPA 25b exempt list, otherwise alicense would be needed.

    Edward E. (Gene) Burgess, Ph.D.Extension Coordinator, PSEP Coordinator, Livestock & Tobacco EntomologistUniversity of TennesseeDept. of Entomology & Plant Pathology2431 Joe Johnson Drive, Rm 205 PSBKnoxville, TN 37996-4560Office 865/974-7138Fax 865/974-8868gburgess1@utk.edu

    michael clayton <claytonmichael@h otmail.com> To <gburgess1@utk.edu> 04/29/2009 01:17 cc PM Subject RE: license?????

    even if its chemical free? all organic or natural?

    > From: gburgess1@utk.edu> Subject: Re: license?????> To: claytonmichael@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:58:49 -0400>>

    You need a license if you apply a herbicide and charge a fee, whether itis> impregnated in a fertilizer of not.>>>>

    Edward E. (Gene) Burgess, Ph.D.> Extension Coordinator, PSEP Coordinator, Livestock & Tobacco Entomologist> University of Tennessee> Dept. of Entomology & Plant Pathology> 2431 Joe Johnson Drive, Rm 205 PSB> Knoxville, TN 37996-4560> Office 865/974-7138> Fax 865/974-8868> gburgess1@utk.edu>>>> michael clayton> <claytonmichael@h> otmail.com> To> <gburgess1@utk.edu>> 04/28/2009 10:17 cc> PM> Subject> license?????>>>>>>>>>>>

    if you have an all in one organic fertilizer/weed spray do you still needa> license? if i don't use that do i need 2 seperate licenses forfertilizing> and weed control or just for weed control?
  8. Christian Brothers

    Christian Brothers LawnSite Member
    Messages: 36

    every man has his own thing. ours is natural and organic. eco-friendly
  9. foreplease

    foreplease LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,062

    I prefer liquid weed control and granular fertilizers and to apply them at different times. Synthetics do not require a license here, pesticides do. I am a big believer in both.
  10. Christian Brothers

    Christian Brothers LawnSite Member
    Messages: 36

    i appreciate your attention to the original post. thats all i wanted to know. who preferred what. thank you.

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