I was asking for a best price on a super Mini Z and the dealer started making me nervious about what he thought was standard and what was not standard. (He didn't stock Supers and would have to look it up to order) I am assuming that the Super Mini Z comes standard with the 23" wheels, hour meter and the susp seat in at this time (4/2005), and my only factory options are mulch kit, bac vac, and hitch? (oh, standard, high lift, and gator blade options) I was also curious if the dealer is forced to sale the unit at MSRP minus dealer rebate if they choose to comply with that program? I was looking at the 52"/24hp honda Super Mini Z w/ mulch kit, hitch, and High lift blades. Any other suggestions for the ultimate lawn mower? I'm looking at the Bac Vac as a future purchase, but was going to see how the mulching worked first. 90% of the use will be on my home lawn and my parents lawn (total between both is maybe 0.8 acres some steep slopes in the back yards), 10% is huge front area (field) to family farm about 10 acres. Was looking at the Mini Z as an overkill option but wanted the susp seat, and though for a few hundred more I could get the Super Mini Z with all the upgraded pumps, fans, etc. Would probably have gone with the 44" except for the limited trim ability. I assume if I have flower beds with curved (concave) flower beds, that the 6" overhang on the 52 was required to prevent leaving a strip of unmowed grass. (I want to be able to clean up with the string trimmer and retire the 21" push mower) I'm going to be redoing the flower beds with a rock boundary, but I want to keep the curved look. All suggestions welcome.