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Everyone in this thread seems to believe that every other humans brains are somehow magically wired to do and think exactly like yours does. Just because you folks believe everyone can learn anything on this planet and be a superstar at it does not make it so. Not every brain can become a math major and put that brain to good use, say, as an engineer, a finance job, an accountant. Every brain can not be wired or learned to become a biologist or have a physics career. Tons of people couldn't even do repetative jobs in a medical lab. It is what it is. Everybody is different.

It is pretty depressing knowing most businesses with actual labor positions have been hardwired to treat their fellow human as a slave. A disposible resource. A throw away life. If a humans brain and energy can only muster up enough power to mow lawns or swing a trimmer around, lay retaining wall block, plant shurbs, spead mulch, pick the fruits and vegatbles we all connsume(or should), process all our food we eat, etc. why does that make them less of a human being? Why do those laborers deserve to live a poor unprosperous life? A life of massive stresses does not make a human any more beneficial to society.

90 million physical laborers are the only reason generally the other 290 million non physical laboring people are alive in the USA. Drop off 120 million for people over age 60 and children under 18 and what you have left is 170 million people that literally do nothing but consume. The majority of that subset of people actually contribute very little to our nation. Yet that 170 million get everything for free or they make much more "money" by doing zero physical labor.

Our societal system is totally bass ackwards. It is still a fuedal system. The too intelligent do nothing but think and reap all the rewards and live like kings off the usuary of the slaves. Nothing has changed. The labor class is still underpaid. Has to kill themselves to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. And all because their brains and functioning souls are not "smart enough" to con their fellow man to be a slave to him/her.

What is truely happening is the bow is going to break. The ants have hopefully and finally had enough. The world must change. The monetary system and capitolism and profit are no longer working.
 

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A note, I had everyone in our crew read this thread and all the other "employee/labor/hiring" threads. We have thorough conversations because of these threads. They do see exactly what businesses think of them. Lesser humans that deserve nothing but a cardboard box for shelter and bananna scraps for sustinence.

That is what laborers see.

They just want the world to become equal. The world has enough resources to share equitably. A fiction called "money" will never ever allow that.
 

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A note, I had everyone in our crew read this thread and all the other "employee/labor/hiring" threads. We have thorough conversations because of these threads. They do see exactly what businesses think of them. Lesser humans that deserve nothing but a cardboard box for shelter and bananna scraps for sustinence.

That is what laborers see.

They just want the world to become equal. The world has enough resources to share equitably. A fiction called "money" will never ever allow that.
Well there's the problem - the world isn't "equal" - no matter how much anyone thinks it "should" be.
It's a fantasy to think otherwise.
 

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I have two foreman who get paid decent, $28 plus an hour with seasonal bonuses. My problem is that for the life of me I can not get them to work more than 22 hours a week. They are consistently broke, living paycheck to paycheck, when the opportunity to get ahead, even save up for a real vacation is completely available with the schedule I provide them. They just have no interest in earning more than they need to subsist off of. It totally blows my mind.
On the flipside, they do meticulous work, master craftsmen really, 20 plus years experience in masonry, carpentry, landscaping etc. I never get any call backs on their work.
So I have to ask myself, would I rather have some young buck who wants to work 40-50 hours a week, but works too fast and makes mistakes and I have to follow up on him? I have had that guy before. Or do I stay content with two meticulous workers who require no training and minimal supervision, but can only muster 22 hours a week?
I know my answer- but it sure sucks!
 

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A note, I had everyone in our crew read this thread and all the other "employee/labor/hiring" threads. We have thorough conversations because of these threads. They do see exactly what businesses think of them. Lesser humans that deserve nothing but a cardboard box for shelter and bananna scraps for sustinence.

That is what laborers see.

They just want the world to become equal. The world has enough resources to share equitably. A fiction called "money" will never ever allow that.
Please enlighten us on what is an acceptable entry level hourly rate.
 

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Wow... Went through this thread again and I'm still looking where something was posted about labor being less than human and us horrible business owners wanting them to live in cardboard boxes.
 

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Not every brain can become a math major and put that brain to good use, say, as an engineer, a finance job, an accountant. Every brain can not be wired or learned to become a biologist or have a physics career. Tons of people couldn't even do repetative jobs in a medical lab. It is what it is. Everybody is different.
First: slaves are people who are compelled to work and who don't get paid. This thread is about voluntary workers getting paid for their time.

170M people you say, "contributing nothing"? Tell that to the dentist before your next root canal.

We need pros in every field now. And they can't be expected to be pros at multiple things. It's a simple division of labor. You can't have an advanced, interconnected society without it.

capitalism has many flavors. We are stuck with a putrid flavor right now.

Anybody born or migrated to the USA in the past 100 years basically won the lottery. $20 USD / hr is an outstanding income. Compared to the rest of the world and compared to middle class areas in the USA. Two people get married both have jobs like that, and in a few years their household income is over $100k / year.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. It can make some jobs seem simpler than they are. Pair it with a little narcissism, and it can make many professions seem unimportant, even unnecessary. But expertise matters.
 

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I have two foreman who get paid decent, $28 plus an hour with seasonal bonuses. My problem is that for the life of me I can not get them to work more than 22 hours a week. They are consistently broke, living paycheck to paycheck, when the opportunity to get ahead, even save up for a real vacation is completely available with the schedule I provide them. They just have no interest in earning more than they need to subsist off of. It totally blows my mind.
On the flipside, they do meticulous work, master craftsmen really, 20 plus years experience in masonry, carpentry, landscaping etc. I never get any call backs on their work.
So I have to ask myself, would I rather have some young buck who wants to work 40-50 hours a week, but works too fast and makes mistakes and I have to follow up on him? I have had that guy before. Or do I stay content with two meticulous workers who require no training and minimal supervision, but can only muster 22 hours a week?
I know my answer- but it sure sucks!
Every industry has those. When you're young and hungry you chase the OT and every opportunity. I did, my peers did. I talk to my old coworkers and 10 years later they all say the same thing, they don't want OT, don't even want 40 hours if they can help it. They're tired and wore out, they got families now, and other obligations. It's the millennial's turn to start training the next generation of professionals. The baby boomers held out for too long in the construction industry, I noticed a drastic shift in leadership about 6 years ago when they started retiring (or being forced to retire) en masse.

Is it worth pairing a green hand with your seasoned guys to learn and do the heavy lifting?
 

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A note, I had everyone in our crew read this thread and all the other "employee/labor/hiring" threads. We have thorough conversations because of these threads. They do see exactly what businesses think of them. Lesser humans that deserve nothing but a cardboard box for shelter and banana scraps for sustenance.
That is what laborers see.
They just want the world to become equal. The world has enough resources to share equitably. A fiction called "money" will never ever allow that.
 

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My nephew worked at a fast food place during highschool and college. He made around min wage $7.50 an hour. Had he worked for me he would have made about twice as much. He wasn't close enough to me for that to even be the case. He did this for about 4 or 5 years. Pretty much a guy that asked would you like fries with that. He now works for the eff bee eye. His lifelong dream. He never considered for one minute that those 4 or 5 years were a lifelong career choice. What's wrong with that? Nothing. No "feudal Lord" holding the working man down. It was a freaking clock in clock out job. No real skill at all required. Like running a dang lawn mower.
 

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170M people you say, "contributing nothing"? Tell that to the dentist before your next root canal.
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Tell that to the Endodontist.
Because dentists don't do root canals anymore. That job has gone to specialists.

Also please tell us what is a fair entry level hourly rate. @sagesove Better yet, what do your workers think it should be?
 

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My take from this thread so far is LCO pays better than other entry level jobs, and less than others. I think it's more than pay. I think people want flexible hours and be able to call out whenever they want/need to. But not lose any income doing so.

Of course that's aside from LC being seasonal and no room for growth. I did factory work, there was no room for growth there either, but they would dangle a carrot.

The share equitably thing that SAGESOVE mentioned isn't the first time I heard that. That's a concept that doesn't make any sense. I don't work this hard so other's don't have to.
 

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My take from this thread so far is LCO pays better than other entry level jobs, and less than others. I think it's more than pay. I think people want flexible hours and be able to call out whenever they want/need to. But not lose any income doing so.
Of course that's aside from LC being seasonal and no room for growth. I did factory work, there was no room for growth there either, but they would dangle a carrot.
The share equitably thing that SAGESOVE mentioned isn't the first time I heard that. That's a concept that doesn't make any sense. I don't work this hard so other's don't have to.
 

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What I see. Is the costs of living just doubled. The fun money is no longer available. People are depressed. With
All the negatives. Covid deaths, Wars, Food shortage, warnings,
You can get by living on the system. Just go to a drug dealer (doctor) The dealer will hook you up with a supplier (pharmacy)
You then become eligible to collect disability.
With Trump the people seen tax cuts.
Lowering medicine and fuel prices.
Cutting wasteful spending on globalists agendas . Leveling the playing field with imports and exports of goods.

It makes a difference between the positive and negative aspects.
In our daily lives.
 
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