What To Do????? Help!!!!!

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by Gatewayuser, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. Gatewayuser

    Gatewayuser LawnSite Bronze Member
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    My brother wants $19.50 per hr he worked a little for me last year and did a good job. He was supposed to become a pest applicator like me and study some books so he knows what he is doing better, the problem is he has done none of this. What should I do should I tell him he will make only $15 per hr which is what I paid him last year, not hire him at all and get someone else, or go ahead and pay $19.50(by the way this is after taxes). What do you pay for someone with his experience? Thanks!
  2. JB1

    JB1 LawnSite Fanatic
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    just what will he be doing for his $21 or $22 hour ?
  3. Gatewayuser

    Gatewayuser LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Treatments, mowing, trimming, landscaping and I would have liked for him to do design too.
  4. JB1

    JB1 LawnSite Fanatic
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    He would have to get his certification before i'd pay anymore. nothing like working with family.
  5. Gatewayuser

    Gatewayuser LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Thats what I think and he said thats not what we agreed upon even though I know we did.
  6. Jason Rose

    Jason Rose LawnSite Fanatic
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    Do you know just how much per hour YOU are netting??? I would think that your net profit, after all your overhead, business related, and taxes, that realistically you as the owner is probably making 20 to 25 and hour tops. That's only if you are working a full 40 hours a week.

    For your brother to want the same you are making (bascally) is nuts. I'd tell him that if he wants to make the same money, then he's going to have to PUT IN the same money. Problem is, that gets into a partnership and that's a whole new nightmare. But I guess I feel like 15 and hour is very high for labor. Now if he was running a whole crew as a foreman and that crew brings in big profits, then 15 an hour would be justified.

    Is it necessary for him to become a licensed applicator? In most states you just need to pay some extra for each "unlicensed applicator" you have and as long as you are within direct communication at all times with that person then they can apply. There is training available usually for them as well, just less cost and they don't get the license themselves.
  7. Littleriver1

    Littleriver1 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 811

    I would run an add in the paper for job applications. Tell him for legal reasons you need him to fill out an application also. Pick out 2 or 3 apps. that you would really hire and ask him for his advice on who he would hire and what he thinks they should be paid. At the end of the meeting place his app. next to the one he picked and ask him if he really believes hiring him instead of the one he picked was a good business decision. I'm sure between the two of you the correct decision will be made. You already know the answer or you wouldn't be asking. The real problem is how do you tell him.
  8. Gatewayuser

    Gatewayuser LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,765

    He can spray under me but I want it that if I feel like going on a trip he could do anything including invoicing. At first he was going to run a crew but with not enough snow which = less money I can't buy the mower I need but I have everything else including an extra truck.
  9. kc2006

    kc2006 LawnSite Silver Member
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    Tell him get the applicator license or he gets 15 an hour. If he doesn't like that, find another job.

    I used to have one of my brothers help me, then they started complaining because they saw what the man hour prices were (gross not net). So it was "why do you make 45 an hour when I only make $15"
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    If you want him to still get the license I would suggest doing what kc2006 said as well to motivate him.

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