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Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by Hoopsfan, Aug 31, 2002.
Being new to Ford's, what is the big difference between the F250 and the F350?
I've been to two dealers and both salesmen really didn't know what they were talking about. Every time I asked a question they had to look the answer up in a book or ask somebody else for the answer. I appreciate all your replies and thank you in advance.
Find a Ford Truck dealer. Not a car dealer that has a few trucks on the lot. Even if you have to drive farther it will be worth it. There are three dealers here but only one has a large stock on the lot and knowledgable salesmen. Find one and you will be happy.
Can't give you specifics since I'm a Dodge man, but I can tell you get the 350 if you're buying. It'll have a heavier payload, as well as should have heavier brakes & suspension. I'm sure Brickman Lawns will chime in as he knows a lot about Ford. Several others also.
heavier payload in the bed, brakes and suspension is beefed up. Basically that's it.
Randy I guess I am getting a reputation.
I am not trying to argue with you guys, but if my FORD 2002 truck specifications books can be believed there is no pay load difference. The GVWR is the same for both trucks, 20,000 lbs. I regularly run over that. In fact on the spec sheet the two are listed as F 250/F350. Also they use the same Dana 80 axle. And the Dana 60 in the front. I have parked my F 250 Off Road beside a F 350 and looked at the suspension and counted the springs. I cannot tell a difference. I have seen one spring less on the F 250 with out the Off Road package. The brakes may be bigger, I don't know.
I know there used to be a difference between the two, but with the F Super Duty series there doesn't seem to be a noticable difference. With the 350 you can get a dually, but it isn't until the F 450 the payload increases.
Dunno Hoops if this helps you or not. But you are right about the dealers not knowing much about such stuff. They are selling trucks at a car dealer lot and as such don't know what is going on.
Here is what is silly. The F 450 and F 550 are rated the same as well unless you get the High Capacity Trailer Tow Package on the 550. Then the F 550 is rated for 30K instead of 26K.
Brickman Lawn Care -"The GVWR is the same for both trucks, 20,000 lbs. I regularly run over that. "
Brickman, that is quite a heavy duty truck you have there. I think you mean Gross Combined Weight Rating for the 20,000 lbs, not Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. The GVW rating should be in the 10-11,000 lb range for the F-350 if my memory serves me right.
I see what you are getting at, and after some more looking found the payload specs for what Hoops was looking for. These are all Ford recommended max payloads in pounds. These are for regular cab, the numbers change some for extended and crew cabs. Also depending on the wheel base the numbers are a little different.
F 250 Single Rear Wheel 4x2 - 3440
4x4 - 2940
F 350 Single Rear Wheel 4x2 - 4410
4x4 - 4045
F 350 Dual Rear Wheel 4x2 - 5455
4x4 - 5045
On the F 350 Dually Crew Cab the max recommended payload is 800 lbs LESS than shown above. Gross vehicle weight rating is 11,500. The combined vehicle weight rating is what stays at 20,000 for both the 250 and 350. Pottstim you are right, the GVWR is 11,500 for the F 350 dually. Only 8800 for the F 250. I cannot see what the dif is, here again the only thing I am seeing is the dually is rated for more. I guess the two extra tires is where is comes in at. I am unable to find a change in the axle until you hit the F 450/550. It is AMAZING what this book has in it. Brake size, axle capacities for all the trucks listed, gear ratios for all trans, etc.
I spent a lot more time looking thru the book, the brakes do not change in size and brake pad contact area until you hit the F 450/550. The 250 and 350 stay the same in that area.
Dang, now I know that I know more than most Ford TRAINED sales people. And the book is there for them to look at, the same as it was for me to pick up off of their brochure rack.
I hope this helps, let me know if you have any more questions.
Here's something else to chew on:
I pulled my '01 F-350 SRW next to my '02 F-550 to see what my $4000 additional got me, it wasn't much.
The frame rails are identical with the same stampings. I don't have a micrometer to measure the gauge of each, but if they're different, it's not by much.
Both trucks share the same front axle, which is also used in the F-250. The 550 has lower gears and bigger brakes, along with the 19.5 wheels and tires. The axle housings and steering components are the same, with identical casting numbers on them. The only exception is the passenger side tie rod end, for what reason I don't know.
Now we move to the rear end. Here's where the big difference is. My 550's rear is HUGE! About twice the size of the 350's. It also has 4.88 gears, bigger brakes and again, the 19.5 wheels & tires.
The point here is you're getting an awfully heavy duty front end on the 250, and the rear is the same as the 350 SRW with the higher weight rating. If I knew then what I know now...
My 350 cost me $1500 over the 250
That will make me feel much better every time I hook up to my car hauler and over load Fords recommended weights.
Now that you meantion the F 550 rear end, the spec book I have says that the F 550 has about 3 inches MORE brake contact area on the back axle than the other trucks.