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When do you bite the bullet and buy new trucks

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by dmk395, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. prezek

    prezek LawnSite Senior Member
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    Yes, they always go by the gross on the door/tongue tags.
     
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  2. Mowing monkey.

    Mowing monkey. LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What’s the legal difference between those trucks and a pickup pulling a trailer? They’re both under 26,000 pounds. They’re both over 10,000 pounds assuming you’re driving a full size pickup hauling a decent lawnmower. I don’t do enough mowing to justify a dedicated truck but if I did I’d have a ramp truck. And it seems like it would be easier to get employees to drive a straight truck vs pull a trailer.
     
  3. That Guy Gary

    That Guy Gary LawnSite Gold Member
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    For what we do there is practically no difference. Gross vehicle weight or gross combined weight over 10k and you need one for interstate commercial travel everywhere; intrastate varies from state to state.

    The 26k requirement is for CDL requirements, the 10k limit is just to have a med card.

    You have to be medically certified to operate a rig with a combined gross weight of over 10k lbs if working across state lines or if the state you reside in requires it. You don't need a CDL until you break the 26k limit. You can get medically certified for <26k without obtaining a CDL, main thing is just passing a physical.
     
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  4. rclawn

    rclawn LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Luckily we don’t have this sort of restriction in KS for working within the state... I did get pulled over in high school for towing a 14’ dump trailer in my s10 tho
     
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  5. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
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    it seems that way but it’s not

    the truck “looks” more commercial so draws more attention from
    Dot cops , more complaints (mostly imagined) from normal citizens.

    the trucks are bigger, longer and harder to park for most employees - especially in lawn care where the employees are regularly cyclical.

    the larger medium duty trucks are harder (more expensive) to get fixed as there are less and less shops with mechanics familiar with how to work in them.

    the cab overs don’t do snow at the level a 4x4 pick up will.

    you can argue intra state on the bigger trucks with the muni state and win
    But it’s still more time as basically the cops don’t know the difference.
    Reality is ... in a world where employees are rare , ones with dots are even rarer
    Lighter pick ups with trailers are easier to keep employees in and less likely to get attention from dot cops.

    the cab overs are expected to stop at weigh stations
    The pickups drive right by
    In fact if you do stop - the dot guys are pissed you’re wasting their time.

    do guys “push the limits” with 580s and d3s?
    Yes
    And those will get you pulled over.

    dude with a lawn mower trailer and/or snow plow?
    No
     
  6. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
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    Passing the physical isn’t typically hard... for most people.
    Getting employees WITH drivers licenses is hard to begin with
    Now you need TWO things for them to drive , makes getting around even harder.
    especially when employees only hang around a month or so.
    Add the complication in a state where pot is legal but DOT follows federal standard and guys don’t want to get the med card because of the piss test (or don’t pass it because of it)

    it’s an on going complication to something that should be simple.

    ramps in the back of a 3/4 ton - how we did it in the old days
    Makes more and more sense (again) everyday

    I saw a company that made fab up ramps for your 3/4 at GIE
    They unbolt and slide out
    Pretty nifty
    Can’t recall how much they cost
    Just remember it being simple enough we could do in house
     
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  7. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
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  8. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
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    This was filmed at GIE
     
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  9. Mowing monkey.

    Mowing monkey. LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I started building a setup similar to that back in the spring and it never got done and I mowed with a trailer all year. Hopefully it’ll get done this winter. I think that setup would work pretty good if the whole bed was an add on. Working around a pickup bed isn’t very good. And you’re limited to a 48” mower like that. A flatbed truck could haul a 72” and probably 2 mowers if it was an 8’ bed plus the dovetail.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2019
  10. knox gsl

    knox gsl LawnSite Fanatic
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