When do you start and stop the clock for the Day Laborers?

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by DutrowLLC, Oct 17, 2006.

  1. DutrowLLC

    DutrowLLC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 17

    Ok, so this may be a stupid question, but here it is:

    Do you start the time clock for Day Laborers when you pick them up or when you arrive at the job site? And do you stop the clock when you leave the job site or when you drop them back off at the 7-11 or where ever?

    I'm probably biased, but it seems that since most people expect to get paid when they arrive at work, not for the commute to work, I would start the clock for them when we arrive at the site, only in this case they are getting the added bonus of a free ride.

    What is generally the case?

    Thanks so much!
  2. Josh.S

    Josh.S LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,085

    For the remainder of this year, I am going to continue starting/stopping at the arrival of the job site, and when we leave the job site. Next year I will probably start when we get in the truck to leave, and when we get back... I think this is more fair to the employee...

    Would you like it if you drove say.. 20min to work, and then 20 min riding to the job site, that would be 40min 1 way, so if this is the case then 1hr 20min per working day that he was away from home and he didn't get paid for any of it... personally that would upset me unless I was recieving good wages.

    If you are making good money and paying your employee's fair I would pay them when they get into your truck to leave, and when they get out to go home..
  3. DBL

    DBL LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,219

    i wish it could be when they are working (start job end job) however the employee is away from not working and they are considered at work when they get to the shop to until we get back at the end of the day so thats how our clock runs
  4. huh

    huh LawnSite Senior Member
    from Lubbock
    Messages: 251

    I will say this.....all of the illegals I have worked with if you treated them fair or better than fair it more than paid for itself

    I would pay from time of pick up to time of drop off....if you have the right ones working for you I think their work would show they know they are being treated well....if you choose to pay starting and ending at the jobsite I think you would be getting new guys each day instead of getting ones you can build with...I would not judge you either way it is up to the laborer to say yes or no to the job and pay offered just make sure it is clear to them from the start when they are getting paid for and when not

    Also they have always been more than capable of doing any quality of work just make sure they know what quality you expect.....otherwise look out because work will be getting flied through....quick and quality can go togather, but many are used to working for people who only care about quick and cheap....but that does not mean that is how they have to work for you :)
  5. Green-Pro

    Green-Pro LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,420

    My folks are on a salary, works out great for them when it rains all dang day and we do some lite work at the shop, they usually get done early. days we have to pound out 12 or 14 hours it works out great for me.
  6. ALarsh

    ALarsh LawnSite Silver Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 2,412

    From when we get in the truck loaded up to when he can leave (unloaded)... You have to pay them for drive time and anytime they are doing something for you.
  7. dKoester

    dKoester LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,395

    That's correct! Larsh
  8. Jamesgateslandscaping

    Jamesgateslandscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 421

    Time they arrive to the time they leave the shop:cry: :dizzy: ...and I do make sure the time slips are properly kept for them all... Formans know their responsibilities and are very quick, its the younger, less experience guys that can be slow and not catch on quick taht p/o me...
  9. DutrowLLC

    DutrowLLC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 17

    Reading over these replies, it seems some clarification is in order.

    If the laborers were to meet me at my shop location, I would pay them from that time because they have already commuted to work. But they don't, I load everything up in the morning and then go pick them up at the 7-11 which is right around where they live and drive them to the job location. If I could I would have them just meet me at the job location, but since they don't drive, I pick them up and give them a ride.

    I'm ok with either way, obviously I would rather pay them once we arrive at the job site, but my priority is to do what is the custom. I don't want to pay them more than I should and I don't want to pay them less than I should. I prefer that it be fair for them and me.
  10. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,899

    I agree some clarification is in order.

    If you are operating legally you need to pay, by law from the time they are in your truck or the time you tell them to arrive at shop/job site until you drop them off at the end of the day.

    If you are operating illegally, well never mind.

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