I appreciate the response to my post. Everyone offered good advise. I demoed the Scag Turf Tiger with the 25 Kohler and the Toro Z master with a 23 Kohler. Both did a good job. The Scag is built like a tank and has the larger engine. Really rides rough. The Toro Z master with the 23 hp seemed to have as much power as the 25 Scag. The Scag is shaft driven while the Toro is belt drive. The Toro is 800.00 less than the Scag. The Toro is serviced by my John Deere Dealer and seem like a good dealership. I know nothing about the dealer that sells the scag other than they also sell New Holland. Help me decide between the two. Your comments good or bad would be appreciated. Since you people use these machines to make a living I trust you know what works and what doesn't.