Hey 132012 I told you I dont get involved with these silly pissing contests didn't I! OK, I have been following the sumagreen hype for quite some time now and honestly, it seems that the proof is in the pudding! The stuff seems to be working very well and is especially noticeable in shade areas and areas that are otherwise drought stressed. Just a thought, but what would improve a droughty appearance. I'll be putting in my order shortly.