My story real quik. 12 years on and off for a guy that went from just a tad bigger than I am now, to 15+ employees. But hes a "lawn jockey" and thats all he knows, but good at it. After a while we got into landscape maint. and I learned pruning shrubs, sprinklers, and a crew under me can do 100+ yards a day on the right jobs. I ventured into hardscaping for a min while we had a quabble. Picked up alot in the short time I did it. Ventured into tree trimming for another minute. Learned to climb and started my own "tree service". Fairly sucessful with it but it wasnt steady. So this spring I have bought a lawn more and aquired 32 lawns my first year. Doing great with that. Putting together the contracts now for full on maintenance. Im gonna start a who i am thread real soon to help "new" guys. I am hearing rumors of $65 an hour as a master gardner. And I have located the training to become a MSU extension cert. master gardner. Doing it this winter I think. I guess my question is, whos certified, and during a ideal market what can I expect for my time on the site, and also time for laborers I would bring. My goal is to have my brother running my lawn crew in the next 2 years so I will not have to mess with it (I HATE mowing lawns), and then I am going to put together a full scape crew that I can start in the morning, show the job, and get to estimates and meetings. Thanks for all your info that I know will follow. This site rocks.