Why Bagged Mulch is a Better Investment

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  1. kilgoja

    kilgoja LawnSite Senior Member
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    how big is a cubic yard? lol

    why don't they just measure it by square feet? haha
  2. Tennesseepowerstroke

    Tennesseepowerstroke LawnSite Senior Member
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    I know a little about diesel trucks. I have been driving them and pulling travel trailers and fifth wheels for a little over 30 years.

    If you are interested in what the DOT will have to say if hou hit someone while you are pulling a 23,500 pound trailer with a truck that has a GCWR of around 20,000 pounds I can help you out. You will need a mighty good lawyer.

    You never did say what you are pulling this trailer with.
  3. cut level

    cut level LawnSite Senior Member
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    I ndont think his commercial vehicle insurance policy will be of much help I bet you did need a good lawyer.

    I am in thew middle of a truck dilemma. I have been using my GMC 1500 ext cab z71 but fell I need more truck since I have added another ztr to the trailer this year and a mounted toolbox to the trailer. I just dont know wether to buy me a good used one (father in law is a dealer)or get a little newer one and just have one truck. He has his eye out for a cheap diesel for me as everything I do is less than 15 miles from home base and most is less than 10.
  4. soloscaperman

    soloscaperman LawnSite Gold Member
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    I can't stand using bags! It sucks ripping the bags apart then to find out it is hard to spread since the mulch is so compact and usually moist. I remember buying a customer Scotts mulch because she is obsessive over it. The color never matched and it was a nightmare. I bought another brand of bag mulch and it just took longer. My nursery where I buy bulk mulch is around 24 a yard. They are very fast. I am in and out in under 10 min!
  5. Jelinek61

    Jelinek61 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Nice....burning plastic bags is great for the environment. Oh wait........no its not.

    You should show us your mulch truck and trailer setup to give us an idea of how you have become so efficient.
  6. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Gold Member
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    I have a 09' Ram 3500 4x4 with a 6.7. I used to pull 18K with my 02' 2500 Ram with a 5.9 Cummins. The new GM 3500's trucks are actually rated for towing 20K. If you talk to people who own backhoes, skid steers and other construction equipment you'll find 23.5K is not uncommon. I've also known some ranchers who pulled more than I do.

    I've seen an F450 pull a forklift and six huge rolls of sod on a tandem dually. That load was around 30K. The truck must have had gears in the 4:10 range to be able to handle that load.
  7. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Gold Member
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    I have a picture of my trailer on the Pictures part of the forum. The tittle is Custom Built Gooseneck or something like that.
  8. yardguy28

    yardguy28 LawnSite Platinum Member
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    well add one more on here that won't listen.

    it could be better if you have employee's. but i really don't think it's better in the long run period.

    i would much rather buy bulk even if it is more expensive in the end because it's easier to move, at least the way i do it it is.

    i have a truck unloader. i put the tarp down, get a load in the truck and when i get to the site drop the tail gate, put the wheel barrow under it and crank some mulch into the barrow and dump it where i need it. then i go back and spread it out with a landscaping rake.

    the time i did bagged mulch i regretted it 200%. the price of the mulch alone cost more plus loading the bags into the truck and unloading them at the job site was a pain in the @ss.

    if you guys wanna buy bags go right ahead. but i can lay down a truck full of mulch a lot quicker and it's alot easier on me physically.
  9. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Gold Member
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    All mulches are definitely not created equal. Muchles like Cypress are made for home owners. The stuff bleaches very quickly and looks old. Every try to blow grass clippings out of Cypress or pine bark nuggets? Not much fun. Trying to get hedge trimming out of crappy mulch is even worse. The damn mulch and all blows away.

    The Texas Native Mulch we have in central Texas is great. After being irrigated a few times it settles down. It will not wash out easily like nuggets or Cypress. It is super easy to blows lawn clippings or hedge trimmings out of the beds.

    Next time I go buy mulch I'll take some pictures of Austin Wood Recycling's operation. They have mountain size piles of mulch that are 60' tall and a few hundred feet wide. They pump water on the piles with a huge commercial size sprinkler rotors. The microbes in the mulch heat it up to close to 180 degree's. The microbes make everything turn dark brown. The microbes are like Mother Natures own staining process.

    If you don't compost mulch long enough it will bleach and you will quickly be able to tell what is bark and wood in the mix. I have had many companies try to sell me their cheaper mulch but it did not meet my high standard. If you think all mulches are the same your in the wrong business. I put doing quality work I can be proud of ahead of maximizing the profit.

    Texas Native Mulch in beds.jpg
  10. yardguy28

    yardguy28 LawnSite Platinum Member
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    i'll admit i didn't read all the posts in this thread before posting but i don't think anyone said anything about all mulches being the same.

    i to care more about doing quality work than maximizing the profit. to me the best way to maximize profit IS to do quality work. the happier the client is with you the longer they will be your client.

    around here we usually mulch beds every season or every other season. i usually buy the died brown mulch for most clients.

    it holds it color really well for the first season.
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