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Why cant Stihl make 2-Cycle equipment?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by banjoman, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. Roger

    Roger LawnSite Fanatic
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    If I handed one to you, and didn't tell you it was a four cycle, you may use it for weeks, months, perhaps longer, without knowing. I know this to be the case -- people having bought 4-mix products, and used it for a long time without realizing. Yes, the audio is a bit different, but can easily be missed. A user may realize it does not use as much fuel, but maybe not. They may realize it starts easily, but may just attribute it to being a new unit.

    People easily move from a candy-bar cell phone to a flip phone. Then they move to a screened phone. Soon, they move to a smart phone. And, then move to a tablet computer, getting e-mail, processing credit card transactions. All these changes seemed to be in stride, although the changes are very significant. Yet, when having a handheld with a new name, but doing the same task, the antennae of disruption rises high.
  2. clydebusa

    clydebusa Inactive
    Messages: 1,660

    That is why I am hanging on to my 2006 yz250! :waving:
  3. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
    from MI
    Messages: 5,281

    this is why I run true 4 stroke trimmers instead of these half breeds. 0 issues for over a 1000 hrs on mine
  4. clydebusa

    clydebusa Inactive
    Messages: 1,660

    Lube mine beginning of the season and then early September.
  5. herler

    herler LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,139

    Have you whiners tried wearing men's underwear?
  6. Turf Dawg

    Turf Dawg LawnSite Gold Member
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    I just wear my batman or spiderman underroos
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  7. Roger

    Roger LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,943

    Please explain. "... true 4 stroke ..." Each cycle of the engine: Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust. There is no "half breeding" on these cycles. They are the same, whether it be a single cylinder Kohler, a 3.5hp B & S, or the engine in your vehicle. Each has piston, intake, valves, exhaust, fuel mixing mechanism. Yes, some of the more sophisticated 4 strokes have multiple valves on the intake and/or exhaust, the the principles are exactly the same. The internal combustion engine hasn't changed in basic physics for a long time. Yes, some of the surrounding elements have changed (e.g. carbs, EFI, DFI, etc). But, the cycles in a 4 stroke are still the same.
  8. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    The 4 mix is a two stroke of a sort. Depends on who you ask but I get different feed back from different dealers on what these hand helds are classified and they do seem to be a hybred.
  9. Roger

    Roger LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,943

    With four distinctive parts in the cycle, how can it be a "two stroke of sort?" I see nothing in the operation of a 4-mix design that has any hint of being a two stroke engine.

    I don't doubt that dealers are telling unsuspecting customers that it is a two-stroke. I can even verify this. While standing in line at the local Stihl dealer, the man in front of me had just bought an FS90R trimmer. He explained the mixed fuel requirement. And, in the process, said something to the effect that it is a two-cycle. I could not keep quiet, "... this is a four cycle engine." The salesman sneered and ignored. He knew good and well he was deceiving the customer, not wanting to place any doubt in the customer's mind.

    When the unsuspecting customer left with FS90R in hand, and I stepped to the counter, I said "you lied to that man." He chose to talk about "mixed fuel." I stated to him that mixed fuel only was the lubrication system of the engine, but having nothing to do with the combustion cycles. He walked away, and somebody else helped me with my order.

    I think the man knew what he was doing, but chose to lie. So, a dealer telling somebody "two cycle of sorts," he/she is doing the same thing, not wanting to kill a sale. Combustion cycle designs are independent of lubrication system.
  10. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    You looked at it more than me but please name one other 4 stroke design in production that does not use crank case oil?

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