why do we have to buy bigger machines when....

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Grn Mtn, Jun 30, 2007.

  1. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 863

    tons of threads about what machine to buy and a common factor is how heavy the skids are so the biggest machine is needed or us to break pallets apart.

    Why can't we just get together and ask the paver companies to limit pallet weights to 1500 pounds. Even a Dingo can drag that weight around the yard. So we end up paying $30 more for a pallet so what, pass that cost on to the customer but save money by not needing a bigger machine.

    just a thought.
  2. orionkf

    orionkf LawnSite Member
    Messages: 122

    I would be happy if they would make it so each strap can be speared individually, the way that I see most clay building bricks.
  3. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,929

    It would also take you 8 hrs to move a load of stone around. Skid steers are way more versatile than just picking up pallets of pavers. Besides, asking paver manufacturers to limit skid weight would be like asking george Bush to pull out of Iraq........It'll never happen.

  4. waltero

    waltero LawnSite Member
    Messages: 206

    I have to say that 1500 lbs is a little on the light side. It is tough to say what limit that each pallet should weigh. I know most machines aren't rated much above 3000 lbs and some pallets go to 4500 lbs or more. I know alot of machines will handle this much but not safely, accidents do happen.

    It isn't that bad of an idea to do, it could just be that the pallets can be stacked in two halves, with a pallet in the middle to seperate the two. I don't see it happening, but not a bad idea...

    I actually just moved up to a larger machine and I have to say that I like having more power for all aspects of hardscaping. It does save me time and I have less fustration trying to get certain jobs done. I have a Kubota that after having the two machines seems just a little too weak for this kind of work. I have some trouble even when a pallet may be halfway broken down.

    I have never used a smaller machine on a jobsite like a dingo or bobcat MT55, but to me it would seem a little small to be doing this kind of work. It would be alright to start with but I really think that anyone that really wants to be serious about hardscaping needs to move up into a larger machine just to stay competitive. Time is money and it is so true in this business.
  5. ChampionLS

    ChampionLS LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,066

    You can pick up seperate bands of Pavingstones with Pallet Forks. No big deal there....
  6. ChampionLS

    ChampionLS LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,066

    That'll never happen. It's all about logistics. Take a tour of a paver manufacturer. Everything is automated. It wouldn't pay to make light loads. Also with trucking- most Semi trucks can carry 80,000 lbs. Light pallets of less material= loss in shipping, longer delays to get materials places and wasted delivery time and charges.

    If I need to move a pallet that my machine can't carry, we off load several rows onto a spare pallet- usually in 5 minutes.
  7. gammon landscaping

    gammon landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 553

    well it wouldn't hurt the loads if you did halr pallets you could just go two runs high on the truck, by the way when the haul a load of pavers or block they have a lot of real estate in the truck wasted
  8. paponte

    paponte LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,366

    Seems to me that your trying to justify your dingo for something it's not supposed to be. I see a dingo as a very helpful tool for working in small tight places. If there is access for a large machine, and I use a dingo all I am doing is costing myself money at that point. It's almost like trying to cut 5 acres with a 36" machine. Why do it?

    I agree and have seen the difference a larger machine makes on a job, and would not change utilizing one. It makes a world of difference on a job.
  9. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 863

    The trucking comment and packaging comments don't make sense, the semi's can just double stack and they can just tell the computer to only put half of what they put on now. I'm really glad that those of you who have the bigger machines are happy with your purchase. But I rented a large skidder from United Rental and it still couldn't handle the 3400 pound Techo pallets. I actually moved 16 ton of crusher faster with the dingo than the skidder because I was able to take the short path and stay on level ground, and I didn't have to repair the ground at the pile- the skidsteer that just fit dug deep into the ground because of the zero turning. Granted not all job sites are as confined as mine was but I think reducing the pallets weight in half would benifit many.
  10. Bill S

    Bill S LawnSite Member
    Messages: 184

    How about this, make yourself a small pallet that fits your dingo then get yourself some extra help and restack from the big pallets to your little pallet. This will allow for you to get away doing big boys work with your little toys.

    Do jobs that you have equipment for (or are able to rent equipment for). If you can't handle the job, do something you can. It will be much more profitable to you in the long run.

    Smaller isn't always a bad thing.

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