I'm curious as to all the secret voodoo and hush hush about what Commercial property owners paid LAST year for lawn care. I'm sitting at a Brickman maintained property now. Massive property. Brickman runs two teams of 3-4 guys here weekly. I happened to run into the maintenance manager while here (i'm at my full time job), and asked him what they spent on plowing. He did it all himself. ( thank god i didn't comment on the massive amounts of destruction he caused). I asked what they spend on mowing each year, and you would have thought that i asked to sleep with his wife. All he said was they used Brickman, and they were using them again this year. I told him i was bidding a HOA and trying to gather data from other local places to see if I was underbidding. He helped me out with the plowing price i gave him, and confirmed that i was underbidding. But when it came to what they paid for mowing last year, he was a stone wall. Do larger companies have gag orders in their contracts? it makes sense to me to do that, but we don't. I don't care to know what a business's budget is, thats none of my business. We are getting more into the commercial side of things than we expected to this season. And our bids have been what we feel is on the lower end of what is fair. We still have more bids to get out before April, and i'm actually worried that we may be too LOW. The last thing i want to do is drive costs down more than they are now. When i ask the property managers directly, 50% are open with the info, and 50% look at me like this guy did. I'd love to get more data from past years on what commercial properties are paying. Are they considering it proprietary information? Are they concerned that someone will come in with a LOWER quote? Or is it a simple confidentiality agreement? I'm thinking about adding one to this years contracts. Maybe all the tight lips are just a byproduct of loyalty, and that's fine by me. So what are you guys running into?