Thing about putting a front mounted winch on the F-450 I need more traction. Looked for parts converting my F-450 to a 4x4 that it is a little expensive a front axle is 1500 dollars a transfer case is 1200 dollars then I would need the driveshaft and other related parts. I would be into it for 3 grand. Had to pick up some garbage from the neighbours and yes I had traction troubles and tore the crap out of the road (dirt/grass). A locker isn't enough traction even with 4 tires on the back spinning I ended up trenching the road. I have been thinking of snow chains but I don't think they would do any good the tires are already digging deep and not pushing the truck forward. I have looked at Ranch Hand and a few others they are very pricey buy the time you ship one to Canada I would be looking at 1800 dollars. Then a 16,500lb warn winch is 1500 dollars. I was thinking about a milemarker hydraulic winch they are lighter than a battery winch they don't drain your batteries either. My truck is always running I'am not recovering a non running vehical. A 12,000lb capacity milemarker is 98 pounds the same capacity Warn is 40lbs heavier. I would think a 12,000lb winch would be strong enough I'am not sunk in mud where your fighting the suction. All I need is a extra pull to keep the momentum going the truck is still rolling. Has anybody had any sucess with just the grill guard winch mount it would be the lighest winch mounting option. A full ranch hand is 262 pounds then add 138 pounds for a 16,000lb warn your adding a extra 400lbs to a already heavy front end. A grill guard winch mount is 160 pounds plus the winch would be 298 so 100lbs lighter. My F-450 has lots of life left in it the truck is rust free and runs good it is the best truck I have owned. It has 105,000kms (65,000 miles). One of the neighbours half a mile down the road has a 04 F-550 4x4 this summer he needed work done on the front axle of his truck. New ball joints,new u joints in the steering knuckle and new brakes cost him 3 grand. His truck goes through front brakes because the 4x4 trucks use a F-350 brake rotor and smaller brake pads. My 2wd uses bigger brake rotors and the same brake pads used on the rear. A 4x4 brake rotor is 13 inches in diam a 2wd brake rotor is 14.5 inches big difference in surface area for the brake pads. You need to run a slotted and drilled brake rotor on a F-450-550 4x4 or you have serious brake fade troubles. In 2005 when Ford changed the front axle they made the brakes bigger on the 4x4 trucks. The Dana 60 is heavier the hubs are bigger.