[J. Baker]

In the shop tonight.

Planning to put the rear main in tonight and maybe bolt this ol’ girl back together.

@Turf Chopper Here’s you a pretty red “old” tractor.
This is a 100+ hp hydrostatic drive tractor.

 

[J. Baker]

Pepsi bottle for size.
Rear main seal and the tool to install it. Tool is mine. The tool costs around $500.

 

[rippinryno]

who's shop and tractor is that?

 

[Toro44]

Double hot water heaters in the shop, nice

 

[rippinryno]

heated floor? plus there's an oven!

 

[Turf Chopper]

In the shop tonight.

Planning to put the rear main in tonight and maybe bolt this ol’ girl back together.

@Turf Chopper Here’s you a pretty red “old” tractor.
This is a 100+ hp hydrostatic drive tractor.

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Nice! i wonder when they stopped making tractors that split down the middle

was the back end repainted?

also is she yours or just rebuilding it for someone?

 

[J. Baker]

who's shop and tractor is that?

Farm shop. Farm tractor. Not mine.

 

[J. Baker]

Double hot water heaters in the shop, nice

Floor heat.

 

[J. Baker]

Nice! i wonder when they stopped making tractors that split down the middle

was the back end repainted?

also is she yours or just rebuilding it for someone?

All tractors split in the middle. All of them.

Center section is the hydro trans. It was just rebuilt and painted. Rear section has not been painted. Tractors have 3 sections. Motor, main transmission and rear end.

As stated, farm shop. Farm tractor. Not mine. But I work on my stuff here. Several of the tools here are mine. Some used to be. I sold them. The lift was mine. Some other stuff too.

 

[Turf Chopper]

All tractors split in the middle. All of them.

Center section is the hydro trans. It was just rebuilt and painted. Rear section has not been painted. Tractors have 3 sections. Motor, main transmission and rear end.

As stated, farm shop. Farm tractor. Not mine. But I work on my stuff here. Several of the tools here are mine. Some used to be. I sold them. The lift was mine. Some other stuff too.

learned something new today!

 

[Mow_Ranger_44]

Pepsi bottle for size.
Rear main seal and the tool to install it. Tool is mine. The tool costs around $500.

Why is the tool so expensive? Is it just because there’s low demand, or is it some specialty steel?

I just finished replacing the axle seals and pinion seals on my truck - they were significantly smaller 😂

 

[Jashley73]

Why is the tool so expensive? Is it just because there’s low demand, or is it some specialty steel?

I just finished replacing the axle seals and pinion seals on my truck - they were significantly smaller 😂

My guess is that it's a low-demand, specialty tool. It looks like something that was tailer made by a machine shop. Perhap's @J. Baker can comment, but I wander if it was purchased through the CNH/IH dealer. If so, it's probably an engineered tool, drawn by the same engine/tractor designers for that specific task. And if so, likely made to order through a machine shop somewhere, and then entered into the OEM parts network.

Edit: After looking a little closer, I see that it's made by OTC tools, and has a part number. Part number not found on OTC's website, but they have a similar tool for Navistar engines.

Makes me wander what came first, the chicken or the egg? Did IH ask OTC to make a tool to fit their engine? Or vice-versa? Of choose a seal based on similar/current tools? Or, or, or...?

 

[rippinryno]

Specialty tools are always pricey. Same tool can be had online for around $200-$300 but if Baker went to birkeys or napa or something because it was in his area then that's all he could get which is fine especially if used multiple times. One of the great benefits of interwebz are that some of these specialty tools that used to only be available at your auto store or your farm equipment store are not half the price and exactly the same. Crankshaft Seal Installer Tool, IH Tractor/Combine/Truck Engines: 414 436 466

 

[Prestigious1]

Oven in the shop? Sure! Gotta be prepared if you get hungry! You're starting to see a lot more ovens in smaller shops these days to bake off DPF (Diesel Particulate Filters). One can take it to a shop, they will have it for 2 or 3 days as they take it to a facility with an oven, then charge you $200 or so to bake it off. One can use the self-cleaning function of a consumer oven to get up to the required temp and time to bake them off. One can usually find a used range with bad top burners for next to nothing...or nothing, but the oven burners typically last a very long time.

 

[J. Baker]

OTC Tool yes.
Bought it through Snap-On long before it could be bought online. But also purchased back when the tool was still in greater demand. These engines are 20 years older now than they were then.

Spec’d by International Harvester, who designed and built these engines. What remained of International Harvester (the truck division) became what was known as Navistar.

OTC makes a lot of manufactures special tools.

I didn’t get the two halves back together last night. After I finished disassembling, cleaning and reinstalling everything, then remembered I also had to change the ring gear. I got all of that done and quit at midnight. Good enough for an evening in the shop.

 

[Toro44]

Oven is also a must for a power coating

 

[J. Baker]

Since everyone is talking about the range oven so much, I used it to heat the ring gear up to install it.

The oven actually belongs in the kitchenette. I really don’t know why they moved it out next to the tractor just so I could use it to heat a ring gear. Nice of them though. I didn’t have to walk very far, lol.

 

[rippinryno]

I love it how Ryno chimes in to sound important. As if he has a clue.

I'd be pissed too. 20 years ago you paid $500 and it can ship to your door for half that now. Thats the interwebz for ya.

Truly not that uncommon of a tool. It fits an application that was in plenty of tractors, semis, and combines and can be had at your door in 2 days.

If ya used the snap on guy then of course it was pricey.

 

[J. Baker]

If ya used the snap on guy then of course it was pricey.

Only choice I had back then. Had to get it from an OTC dealer. It was him or NAPA. He was cheaper and I could charge it.

Semi’s never had these engines in them.

I’ll just educate you a bit. The engine in that tractor isn’t even a 400 series, but uses the same seal.

 

[rippinryno]

Correct which is why its got several applications for use and not an uncommon tool. Semis had engines that used the same tool which is what i said originally.

 

[J. Baker]

Correct which is why its got several applications for use and not an uncommon tool. Semis had engines that used the same tool which is what i said originally.

No. They don’t. I corrected your incorrect statement. That tool has ONE application It installs rear main seals.
A “semi” is irrelevant anyway. This tool is for an engine main seal. Might be in a truck, tractor, pay loader, scraper, dozer, combine…. List goes on. IH never put a 400 series diesel in a “semi”. It wasn’t large enough. They did use it in 10 wheelers. Not to say someone couldn’t have made a semi tractor out of a 10 wheeler, but “semi’s” got much larger engines. That tool is for a 400 series engine (and the motor in the tractor I am working on, which again IS NOT an 400 series) and that is all. I’m not going to argue with you about it. I bet you can’t even tell me what engine is in the tractor I’m working on.