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Would you buy this if this was you???

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Doogiegh, Aug 13, 2002.

  1. Doogiegh

    Doogiegh LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 871

    I'm looking to get a 48" mower.

    Stopped by my local dealer today for a few parts I needed.

    Inquired about any 48's laying around.

    He said he did in fact just got one in, it was re-possed.

    But when they picked it up, it had no engine on it and the handlebars were screwed up.

    It **WAS** a Toro with the T-Bar handlebar.

    They put on a brand new Kawi 15 HP engine ( I believe it was a 15, might of been a 17.5 hp) and a brand new Exmark ECS control system. It looks to be of the Metro line of products..

    It is gear driven, not hydro.

    The deck is still the Toro deck. Everything else looks like it is brand new Exmark items. (engine, handlebar wise. New belts, new blades etc)

    Dealer says he can sell it now for $1500, with a 2 year warranty on the engine. He said all the holes line up from Toro to Exmark perfectly since they are the same company overall. (inter-changeable parts)

    Does that sound like a wacked out piece-meal job, or a great deal to get a 48" with the ECS controls and engine, new, just mounted to a 1 year old deck?

    Any suggestions? Thanks!

  2. SLS

    SLS LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Mars
    Messages: 1,540


    Will they let you demo it?

    If all the mech work has been done right and it leaves a good cut I think you may be on to something here.

    I have the 15 Kawasaki on my Turf Tracer HP and the ECS controls too. You can't go wrong with either of those. If the frame, deck, and tranny check out then it may make you a nice machine...and the price sounds good for a good 48" WB.

    Good luck! :)
  3. wattsup

    wattsup LawnSite Member
    Messages: 123

    If your dealer is any count, go for it. With a two year warranty on the engine you do not have much to lose (if your deler is good). If my dealer had the same machine I would buy it. To me that is the only variable you need to consider. Good luck.
  4. Doogiegh

    Doogiegh LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 871

    What's the easiest way to check the tranny? I heard of driving forward into a fixed object like a tree and then slowly going forward to see if the machine has the power to spin the drive wheels when put against a fixed object.

    If the wheels don't turn, then you could have transmission slippage problems, correct?

    I like it because it does have the new engine on it. I saw it today in their back shop area (they were still finishing up some of the final adjustments), and the engine did look like it just came out of a box or a crate.. Shiny black paint, nice kawi sticker right on the crankcase area... so the engine looks good.

    The handlebars you could tell were new as well with the ECS controls..

    Any comparison of how a Toro deck does compared to an Exmark? Quality differences?

    And how good DOES Toro match into Exmark parts?

    I'd hate to get it, and want to add a mulch kit or something later only to find that the whole machine is off kilter and will never be right and it's a 'lemon'..

    And I have NO idea why it was re-possessed and why the original owner had taken the motor off. <G>

  5. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,067

    I envy you. LOL. I wish I had a deal like that around here, I'd JUMP on it. I don't think you can go wrong with this deal. Go for it. I had one dealer tell me that he has some video that shows Toro and Exmark mulching on a glass floor. He said that they were both about the same. I'm not speaking either way, but that's just what I heard, if that helps you in any way.
  6. Brickman

    Brickman LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,249

    I would not touch it with out demoing it for several days. An hour or two will not cut it. Run it hard and see what happens. And how you will like the controls. The price seems really good.
    Gear drive is a draw back in my mind. I had a Toro with the 15hp Kohler hydro drive. I bought it with resale in mind, because the job I got it for I didn't think that I would have the job for ever. Turned out to be a one year job. I didn't like them, they didn't like me. I was able to get a good price out of it when I sold it. The guy was looking for hydro drive.

    But what ever you do, DEMO it before you would buy!!!!
  7. Doogiegh

    Doogiegh LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 871

    I will have to ask the dealer if they would let me demo it for a day or 2 of work. That would tell alot.

    I'd also want to see how the mulching kit works on it.

    I'm comparing it right now to my new 32" Exmark gear drive with the mulch kit and pro-slide. That machine works terrific for me and my residential accounts without any problems.

    I just did a hard analysis of my current accounts. Currently, exactly 50% of my accounts I would be able to use a 48 on exclusively for the entire job. My other 50% I would be able to use the 48 on every single one on the front yard only, but would have to switch machines for the back yard.

    So this is what I figure, based on a 48 being 33% more effecient compared to a 32.. (33% *IS* the correct percent, right, it's not 50% more effecient, is it???)

    Based off of 10 accounts:

    Assuming each one takes 1 hour to cut and 5 of them can take the 48" Machine, that would reduce my overall labor time from 5 hours to 3.33 for those 5 yards only.

    Now for the other 5 accounts, if I use the 48 machine on the front yard only, I'm being 33% more productive but penalty for having to switch machines on the same yard, so say it's only 25% effecient. So those 5 lawns which would take 5 hours becomes 5 lawns in 3.75 hours.

    Summary: To cut all 10 lawns which would normally take me 10 hours now would take me 7.08 hours.

    Anyone out there willing to double check my math to see if my ratios and equations seem to make sense.

    Makes for some interesting financial decisions. Thanks for any additional advise!

  8. dlandscaping

    dlandscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 835

    That toro is an EXMARK. It is a metro with tbar. Toro now sells pistol grip metros. It is made by exmark and just given different handles. All parts will match exmark it sounds like a deal to me.
  9. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,699

    I'm not going to do therest of the math but a 48" deck is 50% bigger than a 32" deck.

    32 x .50 = 16
    32 + 16 = 48

    Have you given any thought to putting a Flex-Deck on your 32? Since you do a lot of limited access back yards the Flex-Deck seems like it might be the thing you're looking for.
  10. 65hoss

    65hoss LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,360

    I agree with the above, I think you need to look into the flex deck first. You would then have 50" to cut with. Flip up, go thru gates, and then 50" again in the back yards. Also, no lost time going back to the trailer to change mowers.

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