ZTR Coices Toro Scag Hustler Bad Boy

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by 1st Choice, May 28, 2008.

  1. 1st Choice

    1st Choice LawnSite Member
    Messages: 40

    Looking to purchase a new ZTR and have 4 choices in my area would like some feed back from More Seasoned Mowers . My Choices Are as follows:
    Toro Z400 with 21 Kaw 48 In Deck, Tiger Cub 19 Kaw 48 in Deck, Hustler Mini Z with 23 Kaw 52 in Deck, And a Bad Boy 48 in pup with a 30 Kohler. give me some feed back and opinions Please

  2. RTR Landscaping

    RTR Landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 390

    I cast a vote for the Scag Tiger Cub. All of my mowers are Scags. I own 2-Tiger Cubs and really love these mowers.All the mowers listed are good.Just make sure your dealer will back you with parts and service after the sale.All my Scags cut very well in all types of grasses wet or dry. Let us know what you get and good luck!
  3. Mike Blevins

    Mike Blevins LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,391

    Scag Tiger Cub. Proven mowers,excellent cut with the veloctiy plus deck. The 19 kawasaki is a great engine. All the others have something to offer but the Scag has more with the variuos types of grasses that it can cut well. Wet grass don't stand a chance either. "Simply the Best" Is all I can say. :usflag:
  4. MJB

    MJB LawnSite Silver Member
    from Wa
    Messages: 2,869

    I would try to get a demo of the Scag and compare with the Badboy Pup. Let us know the results.
  5. 1st Choice

    1st Choice LawnSite Member
    Messages: 40

    Well already demoed all four b4 this post here is what i think....
    Toro - 2nd best ride 2nd best cut 2nd Best Price
    Scag- best cut worst ride 3nd Best price
    Hustler- best ride third best cut Highest price
    Bad Boy- 3rd best ride Not Sure on Cut best price..

    Warranties are all about the same.. I'm curious about dependability
  6. tb8100

    tb8100 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from TX
    Messages: 1,625

    The Toro Z400 is the promo version of the 400 series, meaning it tops out at 8.5mph, has the ball bearing spindles (which aren't bad, but they're not the tapered roller bearing spindles like the Scag), and it has pneumatic tires. One thing I don't like about this model is that you set the deck height by hand- no foot assist.

    The Scag Tiger Cub comes standard with the tapered roller bearing spindles and semi-pneumatic tires, hence the bad ride quality. Flat-frees beat you to death. It's a 10mph mower.

    The Mini Z has a great engine, and I'm sure also has pneumatic tires, hence the great ride (and it may have had flex forks and the flex seat?). It tops out at 13mph, no? So the speed is good. However, it uses cast aluminum ball-bearing spindles, which on paper aren't as strong as cast iron spindles. I don't know about the reliability of them, but spec against spec, the Hustler doesn't have as strong of spindles.

    The Bad Boy Pup has easily the best engine option out of all of those. It comes standard with pneumatic tires, so it has a good ride. It's a 10mph mower. You should demo it and see how it cuts compared to the others.

    What's the Pup, about $6400? The Tiger Cub sells for $7000. And the Toro at $6100 or so. What is the Hustler selling for? You said it's more than the Tiger Cub. You should look at the Bad Boy Lightning. You can get into the Lightning 26hp liquid cooled Kawasaki/52" for $7500, and it's the 14mph unit with 4 wheel suspension and the suspension seat. It would easily have the best ride out of all those you demoed.
  7. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,177

    I want argue the cut but I will say the Lightening will ride better and cut circles around the other three. The difference in productivity would be tremendous and in this day and time you need to look at how much grass you can cut with a gallon of fuel, be it diesel or gas.

    The more grass cut in 1 hr. means more money in your pocket from several angles. The most productivity per hour relates to more money from the amount of grass cut, the lesser amount of fuel used to cut more grass and the lesser amount of repairs and maintenance while cutting more grass.

    If you are able to utilize speed in your cutting operation it definitely puts more profit in your pocket. There are a number of people that realize the more grass you cut in an hour the more money will be made. When you now add the difference of the amount of grass you can cut with a gallon of fuel and the more grass you are able to cut with less wear and tear than a mower which cuts 1/3 slower, all this adds up more than people realize.
  8. 1st Choice

    1st Choice LawnSite Member
    Messages: 40

    my only complaint about the Bad Boy is how high the seat is i do alot of residential lawns .. trees and so forth to get under... another major factor for me is the interest rates available.. Skag 0-1.9 36 months Toro 3.9 @36 months and the Hustler and Bad Boy don't have any Special rates... very good point about time is Money.. less time in Shop= more money my toro dealer offers a unit if yours in in shop more than 1 hr so nice benefit..
  9. tb8100

    tb8100 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from TX
    Messages: 1,625

    Oh, one more thing about the Toro Z400, it also does not come with the Turbo Force deck. It's really not even in the same class as the Scag and others.

    If you want a Scag that rides smoother, try putting pneumatic tires and a suspension seat on it. On machines without suspension, there are only a few variables that cause differences in ride quality. Tires, the seat, and frame flex. A lightly framed machine will flex and absorb some shock. I guarantee you there is 0 frame flex on the Scag or Bad Boy. I'm not as familiar with the frames on the Toro and Hustler, but I would venture to say they're not framed as heavily (though they are tough I'm sure).
  10. MJB

    MJB LawnSite Silver Member
    from Wa
    Messages: 2,869

    Have you considered leasing the mower through advance acceptance? They will give you the payment plan that works best for you I pay 7 payments per yr during our growing season. Then I can write off the whole payment. Plus when I borrow money for something else my lease payment never shows up on my credit to count against my income. Last but not least I pay $1 and the mower is mine after the final payment.

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