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Here it is in monitor ink (just like the whole at-will employment thing) from the federal website.

CDL-A and -B are based on GVWR. For the country.


Classes of License and Commercial Learner's Permits (CLP)
Pursuant to Federal standards, States issue CDLs and CLPs to drivers according to the following license classifications:

Class A*: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater.

Class B*: Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

Class C: Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.

Endorsements and Restrictions
Endorsements
Drivers who operate special types of CMVs must pass additional tests to obtain any of the following endorsements placed on their CDL:

Endorsement code
Description​
TDouble/Triple Trailers (Knowledge test only)
P*Passenger (Knowledge and Skills Tests)
NTank vehicle (Knowledge test only)
H*Hazardous materials (Knowledge test only)
XCombination of tank vehicle and hazardous materials endorsements (Knowledge test only)
S*School Bus (Knowledge and Skills Tests)
CLP Endorsements - Only 3 endorsements are allowed on the CLP
PPassenger, A CLP holder with a "P" endorsement is prohibited from operating a CMV carrying passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1).
SSchool Bus, A CLP holder with an "S" endorsement is prohibited from operating a school with passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1).
NTank Endorsement, A CLP holder with an "N" endorsement may only operate an empty tank vehicle, and is prohibited from operating any tank vehicle that previously contained hazardous materials that have not been purged of any residue.
Restrictions
Restriction code
Description​
LIf the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license.
ZIf the driver takes the test in a vehicle with an air over hydraulic brake system, then they will have a "Z" no full air brake restriction placed on their license. In either case the driver is not authorized to operate a CMV equipped with full air brakes.
EIf the driver takes the Skills Test in a vehicle that has an automatic transmission, then an "E" no manual transmission restriction is placed on their license.
OIf the driver takes the Skills Test in a Class A vehicle that has a pintle hook or other non-fifth wheel connection, they will have an "O" restriction placed on their license restricting them from driving any Class A vehicle with a fifth wheel connection.
MIf a driver possesses a Class A CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class B vehicle the State must place an "M" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class B and C passenger vehicle or school buses.
NIf a driver possesses a Class B CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class C vehicle; the State must place an "N" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class C passenger vehicle or school buses.
VIf the State is notified by the FMCSA that a medical variance has been issued to the driver, the State must indicate the existence of such a medical variance on the CDLIS driving record and the CDL document using a restriction code "V" to indicate that there is information about the medical variance on the CDLIS record.

States may have a more restrictive category for a class of license, or have additional codes for endorsements or restrictions on CDLs that are not mentioned in the Federal regulations, as long as these items are fully explained on the license document.
 
You made the claim, you prove it. It isn't my responsibility to show how wrong you are.
I'd like to wager 10k you are correct.


Exemptions for Illinois

Drivers Exempt From Obtaining a CDL
Under state and federal law, certain drivers are not subject to the requirements of the CDL program. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration has determined these exemptions will not diminish the safe operation of commercial vehicles on the highways. Although the following vehicle operators are not required to obtain CDLs, they are required to hold the proper driver's license classification for the type of vehicles they are operating.

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Bunch of farm exemptions

Then,

"Recreational Vehicle Operators — Illinois waives CDL requirements for drivers of a recreational vehicle operated as family/personal conveyance for recreational purposes. This includes motor homes, travel trailers and other recreational vehicles. Recreational vehicles being operated in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise are NOT exempt (Ex: Teams with sponsorships, Individuals or groups participating in shows/festivals where business is being conducted and other similar activities)."

And this is how people can drive f350/450s etc towing 20,000+lbs gooseneck rv trailers etc., or giant class A motorhomes, on their standard drivers license.

The idea that a commercial landscaping operation would qualify for the rv exemption is just beyond any kind of logic.
 
I know of 2 exemptions in Michigan. And technically it's because they aren't CMVs but I digress.

Firefighters and active duty military can drive vehicles that normally require a CDL.

I guess 3, as RVs are exempt as well.

What this comes down to though is the definition of a Commercial Motor Vehicle. Which any of us in this industry fit the bill. We are using our vehicles for commerce (commercial).

Therefore, we fall under the federal (and state) guidelines for CDL requirements. Which I posted above. Meet those requirements and a CDL A or B is needed.

This is not rocket surgery. And it's been around since at least the late 90's when I got my CDL.
 
Guess I'm keeping my membership...does this mean you're leaving?

Because I have proved you wrong a few things now...
Nah. I just am busy. I don’t have time to entertain your narcissism.

I have the highest you can get and can drive anything I want and have had for over 20 years. Prior to that I had a C non CDL. I couldn’t care less anymore about being right or wrong. I’m pretty certain a landscaper doesn’t need a CDL to pull a 25k trailer with a 10k truck. In the end, it’s up to the driver/owner to go to the local branch and get it figured out. I really couldn’t care less how anyone does it and it certainly isn’t on my list of necessary things to do to prove myself right on a forum. Have a great day.
 
Nah. I just am busy. I don’t have time to entertain your narcissism.

I have the highest you can get and can drive anything I want and have had for over 20 years. Prior to that I had a C non CDL. I couldn’t care less anymore about being right or wrong. I’m pretty certain a landscaper doesn’t need a CDL to pull a 25k trailer with a 10k truck. In the end, it’s up to the driver/owner to go to the local branch and get it figured out. I really couldn’t care less how anyone does it and it certainly isn’t on my list of necessary things to do to prove myself right on a forum. Have a great day.
I see...I'm right. You know I'm right. You don't want to admit you're wrong.

Online forums 101.

I'm completely stunned that you've been suspended twice.
 
Can't you too leave the pissing match to plowsite so I don't miss anything?
Marks search for truth goes everywhere....🙂
 
Anything is legal until you get caught.

And depending on the curb weight of the truck, if it's at or under 11k, no problem. It hits 11,001 and it's overweight.
well its a 2022 international with air breaks automatic trans and a 25,999 gvwr got the plate today it had temp tags
I didnt run the truck failed a pretrip inspection. IV delt with dot in the tri state you get charges not warnings with dot
 
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