[bobbygedd]

6 ft white pines =$70 each. $4200 for the trees. my guy gives a 10% discount on all orders over $1000. so, now the trees are costing me $3780. we did 6 ft pines in the fall. me and another guy did 8 in 6 hours BY HAND!. SO EVEN IF, it took an hour a pine, that's 60 hrs. i'd easily clear $6500 for the job, in 60-70 hrs tops. for a pee on like me, that's good dough

 

[Peakpm]

Randy Scott knows what he is talking about seems to be
very educated in the field. I have a Hort degree and I agree
with every thing he said. Including $. We install the same
way as well. The only way that any one could do it for 12k
would be if they own the nursery, and then there still selling
them self short if they guarantee them.

 

[bobbygedd]

pretty interseting peak. I JUST TOLD YOU HOW i coiuld do it. now tell me why i can't?

 

[draftlawncare]

well i must be getting a hell of a deal on 6 ft white pines @ $25 apeice the guy i get from is paying $ 15 each for them. He will install them for $ 30 each thats the tree and labor. if you can get 21k run with it, with guys like this in my area its hard to do

 

[Peakpm]

bobby do you have any over head
-payroll
-workers comp
-fuel
-insurance
-truck cost
-any equipment

and your telling me your time to install 60 trees over a good week of time driving back and forth and clean up every day and give a guarantee on the trees is only worth $6,500 to you
no offense but you like to sweat

 

[bobbygedd]

so, you need to make more than $6500 a week,after material costs, to scrape a paycheck out? 12k-$3780=$8220. it's gonna cost me $1140 for all the expenses you mentioned above, to operate for the 60 hours. this leaves $7080. i'll even leave the $580 towards "unexpected " expenses. this leaves me $6500, for the 60 hour workweek. i'd live like a king if i could take a paycheck for this amount every week. and...just think, if you don't plant them upside down, you may actually have a few of them live. this is the difference between big companies and small. you guys have to charge 20 grand, just to profit 3 grand. i can charge 12, and more than double your profit. my operating costs aren't a million dollars a year, i guess, this is why i sweat. in fact, sweating is good for you.

 

[little green guy]

yah but Bobby, what about when 10 of those trees die and you have to go back and replace them. Say bye bye to your profit :waving: I ran a # real quick and came up with about 19k but who knows if I realy sat down and figured it it may be higher. I'd also never plant 60 trees by hand.

 

[bobbygedd]

like i said, we don't plant them upside down, i don't anticipate losing 10 of them. however, if i did lose 10, it would cost me around $800 in materials and labor to replace them. not a big deal. so, i'd clear $5700 for the job.

 

[snipandclipky]

near louisville ky i have to agree with bobby.
60 pines @6' 4200
labor 3 men 8hrs 1000
warranty, equip; overhead 1000

job cost 2500 - 3000
job selling price 6500 -7000 with tax

if we lost half
30 trees at cost 1000
labor 500

no losses = 3500 profit one day
half lost = still 1500 - 2000 profit one day

i'll do this everyday for this price

been in business for over 10 years and do approximately 300k / year in landscaping services

 

[GreenTurf]

doesn't your nursey guarantee the tres for like a year

 

[snipandclipky]

we provide a one year warranty. at the completion of every job we go over the complete care instructions and we actually have very few replacements every year.

 

[kootoomootoo]

$200 per tree for a $60 tree...$12000 here too.

 

[kris]

This thread has turned into a joke!
You're not talking about the same caliper tree as me...Im not talking about some little s-hit pine in a pot. I'm talking a nice 6-8 foot 32" basket.
This is why I hate talking money on here.

And bob you need to get over this BS about large companies... We would go in and plant (the caliper of tree im talking about) with equipment and trucks and have it done in a day...making more profit ..yes more profit even with our overhead than you would even dream of making in a week!
And another thing that you can put in your pipe and smoke....you won't get the trees cheaper than us..cause we'd be the ones selling to you.

 

[bobbygedd]

kris, i'm talkin about 6 ft heavy pines. two strong guys couldn't lift one. well if you need 20 grand for the job to make a decent profit, i'm assuming that's cus your rolling off the lot in the am with $200,000 worth of equipment. so try and be a little nicer

 

[Randy Scott]

Originally posted by kris
This thread has turned into a joke!
You're not talking about the same caliper tree as me...Im not talking about some little s-hit pine in a pot. I'm talking a nice 6-8 foot 32" basket.
This is why I hate talking money on here.

It's obvious who has and who hasn't done a job of this magnitude and have done it properly as my previous post explained. The time it takes to PROPERLY set a tree and the time it takes to plant a tree are worlds apart. I can see some slight variation for pricing by region, but that's about it. Taking your experience from planting one or two trees and multiplying it 60 times isn't going to work for you guys digging holes by hand. I just about p i s s e d my pants when I seen that. Give 'er h e l l there boys. When you actually do a job with 60 trees of this size and caliber, you'll then know what it takes. The equipment, the manpower, and the time.

Funny, everybody on here pisses and moans about raising mowing prices and charging"$60" an hour, but when you try to talk decent profit for work in landscaping, it's too high, I can do it for less, yadee yadee. What a joke. That's fine, just as the lowball mowers price themselves to go belly up, so can the lowball landscapers.

 

[bobbygedd]

u huh, randy, i know i'm on your ignore list.......i also know you're peaking. sorry boys to offend you, but i've seen it all too often. gross a million a year, pay out 1.1 million in expenses. everything is out on loans, payroll sky high. i see it everyday, when i pull up to the gas pump, a little sign,"don't give any credit to xyz landscaping." not saying it's you, but i wouldn't invest millions in a nickle and dime business, cus that's exactly what this business is, nickle dime.

 

[GarPA]

no its not Bobby...not at all...unless of course one chooses to run it that way...

 

[kris]

Like i said ..JOKE!


Nickle and dime?! I'm gonna leave that comment alone..you're ignorance is to easy to insult,
I'm going to pick and choose what posts I get involved in here and thats going to be slim to none.

 

[bobbygedd]

nice, instead of trying to explain your point, just get mad and throw a tantrum. when i say nickle and dime, my point is that most of the time, we are not working on 20 thousand dollar landscape jobs, we are usually working for small amounts, but alot of times. like residential grass cutting. $30-$35 is nickle dime, so we try and make that $30-$35 alot of times. and you're gonna compete for that 35, with guys that will do it for 25. mostly it's the bigger companies comming in at lower prices, thier overhead is so high, they become desperate. kris don't get all pissy, we are just having a conversation here, i'm not trying to insult anyone.

 

[kris]

Your probably right Bob ... I need a break.