As in, you bought it?

 

Yeah, was time to swap out equiptment, engine warranty runs out on the 3200 in November and like to keep stuff under warranty if possible.

 

It's a 61" ICD, just a good size for my properties. I do like vanguard. Have the 37hp vanguard with oil guard on the 3200z that went in the shop, 650 hrs of exteamly hard running and was the first time the engine has been worked on and it is just the computer throwing a code for an injector and o2 sensor. This new one has the 40hp vanguard with the electronic throttle and oil guard system. Still trying to see the benefit of ETC, but it is the only way you can get the blacked out rims, flat free front tires and red rops, so their is that, lol. . Sad that ETC isn't more noticable and I have to go to that to justify it. The forefront suspension is night and day better than the 3200z so far.

 

Still trying to see the benefit of ETC, but it is the only way you can get the blacked out rims, flat free front tires and red rops, so their is that, lol.

This below came directly from Vanguard while also making the statement, "the reason all passenger vehicles today have ECT is for better efficiency."

"The electronic throttle control system used on the new 40HP Vanguard on the Ferris IS3300 is not new technology. The system being used incorporates the Throttle body, ECM, Manifold air temp/pressure sensors and a DC motor to control throttle position into one integrated component. The biggest change for the customer will be the lack of a mechanical throttle control lever. On the IS3300 it is replaced by a rotary dial control similar to the picture below."

 

How is the gas consumption with the 40hp?

 

Only have 15 hours on it so far but it seem to be between 1 and 1.5 gallons per hour.

 

I was wondering if the engine starts getting quieter once you get to 40 hp

 

The exhaust is still as loud as the 37hp vanguard, but it seems to run alot smoother than I remember the 37hp did when it was new.

 

I was going to ask if you blacked out the wheels, but you already answered that question.

The tool box on the back, the red trailer hitch, and the front d ring. Ferris do those or you?

 

I was going to ask if you blacked out the wheels, but you already answered that question.

The tool box on the back, the red trailer hitch, and the front d ring. Ferris do those or you?

All that is custom built in my shop. The front d ring was bought at tractor supply and bolted on. I do weld them to the bracket so they aren't vibrating around.

 

Thanks for starting this thread. Being so new there isn't really much info out on the forefront suspension machines yet. I'm a Ferris guy and can't wait to get a machine with the new suspension. From what I've read so far its better than the old style.

Very nice looking machine !

 

There is a lot more travel in the front suspension with the forefront before the deck drops than the older suspension. I had the front shocks pretty tight on the 3200z because it would drop if you stopped hard and scalp an area. I haven't had to tighten the 3300 up yet and haven't had the problem. Having to tighten up the shocks on the 3200 it kinda made to front suspention useless in a way.

 

Wow never heard of that model. I am a ferris guy with 2 machines. Both 3200z. 2016 and a 2019 model. Is that new suspension really that much better?

 

Seems to be pretty good, the 3300 and 3300 ETC is new for this year.

 

I knew they released the new models but I did not know they have 40hp now.

 

Right on! Yea i hadn't known about the 40hp until this thread either. Kinda cool option

 

I was seriously considering going with a different mower brand, scag has the 37hp vanguard efi but ferris and hustler seems to be the only commercial machines the oil guard system is available on. Oil changes ever 500 hours instead of every 100 is a big deal in my view and ran it on my 3200z without any issues. Wish this system would spread to more brands and I'm sure it will eventually. This 40hp efi etc is a beast and noticeably more powerful than the 37hp. Not much information out there yet on 40hp in turf equipment but they have been running it in marine applications. As far as specs that I can find the only difference from the 37hp is the compression ratio and I'm sure the efi map. Then you have this ETC model which is like opening up the govenor on it, supposed to keep giving it fuel to maintain engine rpm no matter what.

 

That seat and Rops bars sit WAY too high.

 

Looks like the same seat on my ferris 3200z. Its not to high. If you dont like it you can take headrest off or lower it. Rops can be folded down

 

Yep, same seat and height as the 3200z, is extended in my photo because it is a suspension seat and goes down when you sit on it. I have dropped the headrest to the lowest position. Anything low enough to hit the seat or rops folded down would take your head off anyway and needs trimmed.

 

I would differ....Deere owns the ROPS contest as theirs folds completely down BELOW shoulder level. Very nice. Any rops that is at the top of my head, folded down, is a sure branch snagger and whiplash maker.

 

I have a deere also. Yes it folds all the way down but it will kill you in that position if you roll over. I did remove rops on my older ferris but my new one it folded half way.

 

Lol, I just cut the limb off and charge the customer for pruning. To each their own. .

 

Just got done installing the grass flap, will get some pics in the daylight, went on as it should on any icd

 

I have to ask, you got rid of your mower with 650 hrs? And that's the first time it's been in the shop? You're really losing quite a bit on the sale of a like new machine.. 650 hours is barely broken in.

 

It's the first time the engine has had any work, I haven't sold it, just in the shop. Haven't decided what to do with it yet. Its paid off and my plan was always to swap it out when the warranty expired and there was still value in it and keep equiptment thats under warranty, but it has been a great mower and was gonna run it for another year since we bought a tractor and added that service to the business this year. It just was the worst possible time and pissed me off going down on me. As a small 1 crew company I can budget a payment better than I can an unexpected breakdown and repair. Not so much as the repair cost but the downtime kills me when a machine goes in the shop and while it's possible, it's less frequent on a new machine. I may end up keeping it as a backup and set up a single axle trailer for my son to run. He has been helping me with school out and turning 17 in October. Plus it would be a backup mower for the day to day grind.

 

Keep the machines. Pay them off and run them into the ground. I have 3 machines. 2 are paid off. They are great to have others as backup. Cannot rely on one mower. Just because it's new it could still go into the shop.

 

Got everything in and done my electrical mods tonight.

 

How is this mower on the hills and side hills?

 

Ferris mower that I have can hold an amazing hill. I have tweels front and back and it helps. 2019 3200z with 72 inch deck.

 

I was seriously considering going with a different mower brand, scag has the 37hp vanguard efi but ferris and hustler seems to be the only commercial machines the oil guard system is available on. Oil changes ever 500 hours instead of every 100 is a big deal in my view and ran it on my 3200z without any issues. Wish this system would spread to more brands and I'm sure it will eventually. This 40hp efi etc is a beast and noticeably more powerful than the 37hp. Not much information out there yet on 40hp in turf equipment but they have been running it in marine applications. As far as specs that I can find the only difference from the 37hp is the compression ratio and I'm sure the efi map. Then you have this ETC model which is like opening up the govenor on it, supposed to keep giving it fuel to maintain engine rpm no matter what.

The big block Vanguard engines have been put through their paces for a number of years by the mud-boat industry. This industry will find out very quickly where the shortfalls are with any engine they implement for use with their products.

Vanguard engines are then run for a year on their Ferris mower before they are opened up for sale in the mower industry.

This is really very smart on their part, Vanguard big block V-Twin engines are put into the hands of those that work their engines in all types of weather, night and day, and in environments such as duck hunting where they must start and function well in freezing wet conditions.

Vanguard is basically running a test on their engines in not only very rough conditions in the mud-boat industry, but in mowing scenarios as well. This gives them a chance to see what fails and to make adjustments if needed before being released to the buying public.

I know one mud-boat manufacturer told me after they had operated the 37 EFI through a cold duck and goose hunting season, he was ordering a huge number of the EFI's on his first order. He said the electronics concerned him in their wet conditions, but they had proven themselves more than worthy. What he liked so much about the EFI over the carburetor equipped Vanguard engines was their ability to start so much easier in cold weather long before daylight when it is very cold during waterfowl season.

The 40 is nothing more than a tweaked 37 they were able to gain another "roughly" 3 hp from.

 

The big block Vanguard engines have been put through their paces for a number of years by the mud-boat industry. This industry will find out very quickly where the shortfalls are with any engine they implement for use with their products.

Vanguard engines are then run for a year on their Ferris mower before they are opened up for sale in the mower industry.

This is really very smart on their part, Vanguard big block V-Twin engines are put into the hands of those that work their engines in all types of weather, night and day, and in environments such as duck hunting where they must start and function well in freezing wet conditions.

Vanguard is basically running a test on their engines in not only very rough conditions in the mud-boat industry, but in mowing scenarios as well. This gives them a chance to see what fails and to make adjustments if needed before being released to the buying public.

I know one mud-boat manufacturer told me after they had operated the 37 EFI through a cold duck and goose hunting season, he was ordering a huge number of the EFI's on his first order. He said the electronics concerned him in their wet conditions, but they had proven themselves more than worthy. What he liked so much about the EFI over the carburetor equipped Vanguard engines was their ability to start so much easier in cold weather long before daylight during waterfowl season.

Yeah, very few differences other than the computer tweaks and one other thing I have found. Listed on vanguard specs the 40hp does have a higher compression ratio. Thats either by differences in the cylinder head or pistons. They dont give any other information. Just the compression ratio specs. That is evidence of some internal changes though

 

The 40 hp is still air cooled?

 

Yes

 

7 acres, non-commercial, I would probably go with the 2200 with the largest engine possible and a 61" deck. Especially with softer ground, would be 400lbs lighter than the 3300

 

2200 will have 11 gal fuel cap instead of 5, 2200 will have 4400 hydros instead of 3400, and 2200 has cast iron spindles instead of aluminum. 2200 you will get the vanguard engine instead of the b&s commercial, there is a difference and the oil guard system is availiable on the 2200. . The 800 is a true 2 or 3 acre residential mower. 2200 gets you into the commercial line. I don't think of the 800 as a commercial mower to my standards.

 

I agree with you.

One thing worth mentioning though. Both the 800 and the 2200 can be had with the kaw ft730 efi. This leads me to believe its a decent motor if they are putting it on their full commercial line. Personally id go with vanguard but if someone wanted kaw i could also see going with the 800 if fuel capacity and upgraded seat were not a priority.

 

I am in the market for the ISX 3300 ETC and for now the availability is scarce in the KS area. Plan to purchase first part of year or when I see one at local dealers. The only ones I see are at least several states away.

Does anyone think these machines will be delayed due to the various production and component shortages? Do these models reach dealers at certain months after the first of the year? My dealer said check back with him in December.

 

I am in the market for the ISX 3300 ETC and for now the availability is scarce in the KS area. Plan to purchase first part of year or when I see one at local dealers. The only ones I see are at least several states away.

Does anyone think these machines will be delayed due to the various production and component shortages? Do these models reach dealers at certain months after the first of the year? My dealer said check back with him in December.

I was thinking about calling my dealer to see if I could buy one also. I did not know they are hard to find.