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#1 ·
Totally new to this site. Quick introduction of myself: I work a full time job as well as live and work on our family grain/cattle farm in south eastern Indiana. Yes, very busy. I am 26 years old and looking to go full time self employed through the farm and this new business adventure.
I have been reading as much info as I possibly could about learning the in and outs of forestry mulching. A lot so of which I found on this site. So I figured what better place than here to ask my questions as there seems to be more than a handful of knowledgable people on here with succecful businesses of their own. I am extremely self motivated and more than willing to give my all into this to get it going.

My main focus recently and really my main worry is how to approach potential costumers. Now of course word of mouth, websites, business cards, and social media are going to be a main part of advertisements. But I personally will be contacting future costumers myself in person and by email frequently. I am planning on making a packet about my operations and the many benifets of it as well as leaving my business cards. A few of the following were places I planned on contacting: Developers, real estate, construction companies, and other tree/landscaping companies. Now how exactly do you approach these companies? Just walk in the door, hey I’m so and so this is my company and this is what I offer? What are they really looking for in a person and company? What all do you include in your emails? Any help on that would be greatly appreciated.

Below this is just a little bit of info I have gathered to put into my packets. To much? Not enough? What should I take out or add?

“Forestry mulching is an Eco and Environmentally friendly process. Mulching process will quickly and efficiently mulch trees, brush and overgrown areas evenly over land/properties putting nutrients back into the soil.


Mulching has many benefits:

•Low ground pressure so there is little to no ground disturbance.

•Eliminates hauling and landfill fees

•No unwanted piling of debris

•Provides no disturbance to larger trees and their root systems

•Keeps your property clean and with rich soil


Mulching is ideal for:

•Site prep and cleaning

•Right of ways

•Reclaim pastures

•Property lines

•Fire lanes

•Recreational trails

•Selective thinning of woods

•Shooting lanes

•Prep for fence lines

•Curb appeal and real estate property listings

•Post logging cleanup”

And might I add. Being a farmer myself I have also considered buying a boom mower mainly for tree lines around fields, but I’m afraid that it wouldn’t bring in the needed business to be profitable. Any suggestions on potential work for boom mowing? How exactly do you get into contact with state and counties for bidding on tree line mowing?

Below is also something else I have written up for potential costumers in that area of work

“Examples of the many benefits of keeping tree lines clean around your fields with our boom mowers.

Example: If you have a 20 acre field with overgrown tree lines all around it, you are potentially robbing yourself of 3.07 acres 133,760 (133,760 square feet) worth of high yielding crops. The outer edges of your fields due to over grown tree lines will not get the much needed direct sunlight, or even in some cases won’t evenly spread the rainfall which will drastically decreases your yields! At 3.07 acres and an average of 55 bushel soybeans, selling at an average of $8.50 per bushel = $1,435!! Keeping your tree lines trimmed and free of overgrown vegetation is an extremely beneficial, low cost investment for a high return for your farm or business. Not only will clean tree lines give you a return, it will leave your crop rows straight, your equipment scratch/dent free, and if you’re leasing the land. It’ll leave your landlords happy to see you taking care of their land.
Boom mowers have many benefits:

•Extremely time and cost effective

•Eliminates any manual and unsafe working conditions

•Extremely time beneficial

•Cleans up overgrown tree lines

•Provides no disturbance to the trees root system

•Keeps your property nice and clean

•Evenly distributes sun and rain fall across every edge of your field

•Let’s you farm directly next to tree lines while keeping your rows straight

•Eliminates and the possibilities of scratching up your equipment while farming next to tree lines


Boom mowing is ideal for:

•Maintaining overgrown tree lines around your fields/property

•Curb appeal and real estate property listings


I have been looking and pricing equipment and doing as much research on different pieces that I could. The bobcats 770s have sparked my interest pretty hard. But I do believe my final decision will be a slightly used cat289 attatched with a fecon mulcher. I’ve found some great deals on a few already.

Any info would be greatly appreciated. Do’s and dont’s. Thanks in advanced I look forward to your guys responses.
 
#8 ·
Have you cked the prices on boom mowers capable of trimming trees, and up high to boot?

What's your mechanical ability? That equipment can get broken quite a bit
Yes, I have been able to find some really nice boom mowers attatched to a tractor with 95-120hp between 35-45k.

As for maintance and fixing whatever broke, that'll all be done by me for the most part.
 
#13 ·
Yes, I have been able to find some really nice boom mowers attatched to a tractor with 95-120hp between 35-45k.
That's just for the boom mower, what about your skid and recon head? Trucks for transportation?

As for maintance and fixing whatever broke, that'll all be done by me for the most part.
So your mowers broke, your skid is broke, contract is up, how are you gunna fix the broken with your other full time gig?
 
#9 · (Edited)
Thats a lot of expensive equipment . First you need to determine if there is a market for it .
I've noticed it's quite hard to really determine what kind of market this has in my area. I think it's mainly just a lot of people don't know about forestry mulching. I've only seen one in my area before clearing right of ways on powerlines. But I'm confident enough in not only the benefits and capabilities of forestry mulching, but also in the endless amount of advertising their is that I don't see to much of an issue creating a market for it. Forestry mulching isn't something you see everyday, so when I can land some jobs even that will be advertisement in itself by the excited costumers word of mouth and by having my own signs made to post on the property if it has road frontage. There's just endless amount of advertising that I don't see to much of an issue.
 
#10 ·
You are right Jvolk, a lot of people do not know what forestry mulching is.

I can tell you from a consumer's point of view, if you want to market the service, make a short video. Take a video of the mulcher vs a dozer and show the results.

I took a video of the mulcher that I hired for our camp because I was in awe of what it could do. 95% of the people I showed it to did not know what a mulcher was and were amazed. After seeing the video, my dentist hired the guy I used to remove a small bamboo patch from behind his office. Three other people were going to give him a call as well.

There are a lot of realtors in our area trying to sell overgrown vacant land. The listing pics show a road cut in with a dozer so potential purchasers could access the land. Looks like hell. If they had a mulcher come in the land would be more marketable.

Just make sure you have the market to justify the expense of the machine and implement, as well as the constant maintenance of the equipment and cutting blades.

Good luck, and if you want to do some more research, there was a fellow on here that ended up doing what you want to do. Search Krazy Kajun and you can see his plight.
 
#18 ·
No real experience with this but I have read a lot about it as I’m sure you have.

One major difficulty once you have the work is breakdowns because the work is so hard on the mulching head and the machine itself, especially with dust and debris.

Breakdowns are expensive and time consuming and in the case of a major breakdown, there is no alternative to finish the job. You can’t go rent a mulcher. You have the benefit of being an owner operator and you’ll be careful but stuff happens. They do have PTO driven mulching heads for large tractors.

Have you considered starting with something like that and using your current equipment? As the market and demand grows for your business you could work your way into a CTL.

On the other hand if you have the money, buy smart and the machine will always be worth something. If it doesn’t work then sell it
 
#20 ·
I have a friend here in NC who is a realtor/broker who specializes in listing and selling raw land.

His first job after listing is getting it cleared so potential buyers can see the land.

If you can find a similar land specialist, you might make contact to see if that is a service they would use.
Thank you. That was on my list for people I will contact.
 
#24 ·
http://www.alaskahydroax.com/

These guys have a kinda crappy website
But they're "the big" forestry mulching guys around here

I've quoted against them
I can't do what they do
They've got the right gear and are too efficient
There's a few pics (very few) to see what they use
Wow.... that really is some next next next next level stuff haha. Impressive.
 
#27 ·
I've talked to a guy who does a lot of land clearing for large corps that do planned HOAs, golf course communities, etc... in southern NC and upper SC (Myrtle Beach area). He said back in the late 90's early 00's, he could easily get $350+ hourly due to lack of competition. Now days he said he's around the $200-$225 hourly rate due to saturation as thick as the regular lawn care market in that area.
 
#28 ·
"Land clearing" and "forestry mulching" can be two different things

The forestry mulcher /fecon is much faster but there is no root grubbing involved and there's small wood chips everywhere.

Where we land clearing typically involves stump removal, root grubbing and felling of larger trees.

The forestry mulcher/fecon type job isn't typically hauling anything away...
Land clearing there's either a lot of hauling debris off or organization of slash piles
 
#30 ·
You can't leave the stumps in the ground and build over them and you can't run a plow through them either. You have to clear with intention.
Come to WV and I'll introduce you to a developer who keeps lawsuits running against him from building houses over debris piles, leaves stumps in the ground to rot and have property damage 10+ years after the fact and numerous other things relating to having enough money to not give a $hit. Nothing like seeing $200k houses that's been built on burn piles with sink holes popping up all the time where the stumps have rotted.
 
#31 ·
Years ago I managed an apartment complex. One of the last buildings put in was built on top of the burn pit used to dispose of the off cuts for the other buildings. Well as these things aged that 8 unit building sank. It eventually broke in half almost like a sinking ship to the point where one end was 3.5 ft lower than the other. It eventually was condemned.