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Honda HT-R3009 riding lawnmower now starting, but...

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#1 ·
Hello everyone, I've had this lawnmower out of service for over six months, because it wouldn't start.
I figured I'd use the string grass cutter in the meantime. It finally got to me, and decided to give the riding lawnmower another try. After ordering another carburetor and installing it, the engine started. but it was running rough and putting out thick black smoke, but after adjusting the fuel-air mixture screw a couple of turns, the black smoke stopped and turned into thick white smoke, great!
From what I read on this forum so far, it doesn't look too good for my poor old engine a GXV270 (11H/P). I will wait and give it a couple of more tries before taking it apart and possibly change the oil and compression rings, hopefully the piston wall is not scored, thanks...
 
#3 ·
Yeah, I already did and there was fuel in the oil, I drained it and install new motor oil earlier before I even tried to start it ( I had suspicion of that happening, because the old carburetor failed and found fuel in the combustion chamber every time I would pull out the spark plug to check it...) Thanks fastline!
 
#4 ·
Because this is so common, I always recommend either a manual fuel valve and use it religiously, or install a vacuum operated fuel valve.

Even if you changed the oil, if you got heavy black smoke, you were WAY over fueling and probably need yet another change. But I have certainly seen engine damage as a result of this.

Carbs rarely "go bad" as some believe. Usually at issue is fuel contaminants that lodge in the needle/seat and the bowl overflows into the engine. A good inline filter is always recommended.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Believe me, it was definitely a carburetor problem and something went bad because the needle and seat looked fine; when holding the needle lightly
against the seat compressed air would not go past the valve and needle, the float also checked fine, so I decided to install e new carburetor, problem gone!
 
#7 ·
I don't know what your prev issues were but after working on thousands of engines, I find gravity feed systems an issue and a needle/seat used as the only line of defense will always become an issue. A needle/seat can really only be inspected under a microscope. Needles that have a metal tip suck! Rubber works so much better but in all cases, if an engine gravity fed, without a pump, they at least need a vac valve as a secondary protection! It would save some many engines!

Many carbs I touch have overflow drains so they can't fill the engine, but of course that is a safety and EPA issue so I have literally seen OEM routing where a drain just connects to the upper part of the carb or airbox, defeating it's purpose.

I watched as an idiot could not start a machine. She was locked. Hydro locked by fuel is what he didn't know. He pulled the plug, laid it on the side and gave her a rip. A rooster of fuel shot about 10ft in the air, the plug fired, and she burned to the ground right there.

Again, I hate gravity systems and I treat them all like they leak.
 
#8 ·
I agree, gravity fuel fed carburetors are kind of odd. I'm going to be looking for a location to place my new metal tank; the original plastic one cracked and it wasn't repairable. It's probably going to end up below the carburetor level, in which case I'll be needing a small electric pump.
 
#10 ·
You're right, I was thinking of the same thing; the electric pump does deliver fuel at a minimum of no less than 3-5 psi which, I would run the risk of unseating the needle, although I do have a pressure control valve, but I don't remember what the lowest setting is. I think I'll go the way you suggested and use a diaphragm pump; my other Honda engine (GX610) has one, it's compact and tucks in out of the way real well! Thanks again