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John Deere Z525E Briggs and Stratton surging and popping at full throttle

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#1 ·
I believe I read somewhere that it is normal for these engines to surge a little at full throttle with no load due to the emissions standards they have to meet. Can anyone confirm this? This seems excessive even if that is the case.

At first it would do it on occasion when hot, but it would clear up with the blades engaged under load. Now it has progressed to the point where it surges from start up at full throttle.

Normally the first thing I would look at would be a fuel starvation issue, like a partially clogged fuel filter, or a partially clogged main jet in the carburetor. It has a new fuel filter, so I know it isn't that. And it has always had fresh fuel and never sat for an extended period of time, so due to the things I have heard about this engine, it has me doubting that the carb is clogged. Before I go tearing into the carb I just wanted to ask if there could be another reason why this is happening that may be common with this model Briggs and Stratton engine. Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you!

When this video was taken it has been mowing grass for a while under load with no issues then this started as soon as the blades were disengaged. Today it was surging from the start but without the popping.

 
#2 ·
That is one of those frustrating things with an engine. What happens if you pull the choke out a bit? If that helps then the carb is "dirty"and needs to be cleaned out. Then I would start with checking the valve lash. Check all electrical connections at the engine. If you have a ground wire take it off and wire brush the connection on the mower and wire. There a many things to check so you will have to try one thing at a time. I'm thinking it is a carb issue or maybe just maybe electrical. How many hours on the engine?
 
#3 ·
I had a lot of governor hunting and light surging on my FX100V and well as all of my Honda GX390's all under no load. Switching to non-ethanol fuel has taken care of this issue with all my equipment, I also need to use the choke way less as well.
 
#5 ·
I'll keep that in mind. I already run non ethanol fuel in all of my 2 stroke equipment. I have had far less issues with my saws and trimmers since I made the switch. My other mower always ran fine with regular gas, so I didn't really think about trying that with this mower.
 
#8 ·
Hard to diagnose with a video but it sounds like a lean condition and one I suspect is water in the float bowl if this is carbureted. I have seen this many times where water sits in the bottom of the bowl because it is heavier than gasoline, and starves the engine for fuel. One tactic that has worked for me to clear a few issues is shut the fuel valve off and let it run out of fuel. This allows the float needle to fully open and clear anything there, and can help clear water in a bowl.

It also sort of sounds like an ignition issue. You might have to make that call in the field but many times coil issues get worse with heat. They may start fine, then develop an issue. As well, throttle position can be telling whether fuel or ignition.

This does not sound like a fuel filter. Usually demand of the engine shows the true colors of lack of fuel delivery.
 
#10 ·
Hard to diagnose with a video but it sounds like a lean condition and one I suspect is water in the float bowl if this is carbureted. I have seen this many times where water sits in the bottom of the bowl because it is heavier than gasoline, and starves the engine for fuel. One tactic that has worked for me to clear a few issues is shut the fuel valve off and let it run out of fuel. This allows the float needle to fully open and clear anything there, and can help clear water in a bowl.

It also sort of sounds like an ignition issue. You might have to make that call in the field but many times coil issues get worse with heat. They may start fine, then develop an issue. As well, throttle position can be telling whether fuel or ignition.

This does not sound like a fuel filter. Usually demand of the engine shows the true colors of lack of fuel delivery.
I agree. I forgot about that. Water in the fuel does strange things.