What was the model number of a Bobcat made in the 90's that was their largest of the time and also maybe the largest they ever made? I remember a local farmer had one and it looked like a beast. It was a radial lift arm design and was nothing special it was just heavy and that was how it lifted as much as it did.
Largest Bobcat made....
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They did make a 6 wheeled skid steer, but it was Melroe back in the days, there's a pic floating around in the deeps of HEF somewhere.
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I've seen it, its not an actual pic but more of a sketch. I think it was labeled the 1080 though.
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One of the six wheel ones? There really rare, shoulda jumped on it!
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Stick Pro ,with all due respect to your post ,I don't think the 963G is a match in any way to the 2109 Mustang ,and the other 900 series might be rated @ 4000# but in every other aspect the Mustang will outperform those too ,and I have one to put it to the test.
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This should help... Have a safe New Year's everyone......
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I am surprised that the big Mustang/Gehl haven't done better. The have power out the wazoo and major lift height.
I would love to have a monster sized Cummins powered Bobcat. Even as it is if I cannot fix the Deutz in my bobcat I was thinking of stuffing a Cummins 4BT engine in its place. The 943's must have been awful, as they don't seem to be worth much anymore.
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Mmm, you need to tell Bobcat to get on that... the Gehl/Mustang are down to 99 HP due to emissions regs.
stuvecorp, I think it's the weight and size that really does it. For the weight, a compact wheel loader is probably more flexible (and especially more comfortable) than a very large SSL.
That being said, I would be surprised if Gehl/Mustang haven't sold more of their beasts than Bobcat did with the 963...
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I would agree with you on the comfort part. I think the small loaders aren't a good 'value' compared to skids,not saying they are overpriced just more money than I think they should be. Do you think that after a certain size that people just get bigger equipment than to use a large skid to do the work?Mmm, you need to tell Bobcat to get on that... the Gehl/Mustang are down to 99 HP due to emissions regs.
stuvecorp, I think it's the weight and size that really does it. For the weight, a compact wheel loader is probably more flexible (and especially more comfortable) than a very large SSL.
That being said, I would be surprised if Gehl/Mustang haven't sold more of their beasts than Bobcat did with the 963...
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Hard to say... it's odd that Case came out with a 95XT (which is doing very well), Bobcat followed with the 963 (a tremendous machine, but not a huge seller), and then Gehl followed with the 7800 (another great machine, but I don't know how well it's selling). The 963 was supposed to be a compact wheel loader "killer" in the sense that it was made to have the same productivity characteristics as a CWL.
If Bobcat really will be releasing a S350 or something in 2009, then perhaps the market isn't dead yet -- but here in the States, we don't seem to have a real need for a 4,000 lb ROC machine of any sort. CWL sales aren't amazing, and large skid-steer sales never really caught on. (Europe's another story for CWLs.)
As far as CWL value, I suppose the meaning I intended was just that they might be a more durable, productive solution. Chances are, if you need a machine with that much power, you'll be doing a lot of one thing (lifting, digging, etc) -- and a dedicated task machine (like a CWL or even a dozer or track loader) might be a better option if you're going to be towing/maintaining all that weight anyhow. I haven't looked at prices at all, so I'll take your expertise over mine any day.
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And another thing to add to this whole "large skid steer" debate is, the 900 series had their own separate quick attach with the exception of the 963, the inside width between the loader arms is so great, a standard Bobcat Quick Attach frame just won't fit won't out using some funky extension on the main tilt pins, they would need to use a mounting system found on the CWL's.
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I am told that CASE may be releasing a 485 sized machine. I hope that happens, but who knows, no one is talking, at least to me. I think you may be right Tiger, I don't know how many of those 4K ROC machines they would sell. When the price tag gets that high for a skid steer you have to really need that extra capacity. I think I would be in, but it would depend on the money and how well it performs. They are limited to 99 hp so if you could get engine specs around 95-99 hp and torque rating at 350-375, that would be good. Breakout around 8-8.5K with lift height around that of the Gehl machine. I would like to see the weight around 11K max. Given current economic conditions, I doubt anyone is spending much on R&D for the time being.Hard to say... it's odd that Case came out with a 95XT (which is doing very well), Bobcat followed with the 963 (a tremendous machine, but not a huge seller), and then Gehl followed with the 7800 (another great machine, but I don't know how well it's selling). The 963 was supposed to be a compact wheel loader "killer" in the sense that it was made to have the same productivity characteristics as a CWL.
If Bobcat really will be releasing a S350 or something in 2009, then perhaps the market isn't dead yet -- but here in the States, we don't seem to have a real need for a 4,000 lb ROC machine of any sort. CWL sales aren't amazing, and large skid-steer sales never really caught on. (Europe's another story for CWLs.)
As far as CWL value, I suppose the meaning I intended was just that they might be a more durable, productive solution. Chances are, if you need a machine with that much power, you'll be doing a lot of one thing (lifting, digging, etc) -- and a dedicated task machine (like a CWL or even a dozer or track loader) might be a better option if you're going to be towing/maintaining all that weight anyhow. I haven't looked at prices at all, so I'll take your expertise over mine any day.
I really like the CWL idea, but I cant swallow the costs. Used would be the best way for me to justifiy one. They sure are nice to run. Great visibility, smooth ride, I have run them but would really like to put one through its paces once and see how effective they are.
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As far as the pricing goes it is more how I feel, can't say it is gospel if you know what I mean. I know it isn't apples to apples but to me if I was going to spend what I've been told a small loader is(70,000ish) I would buy a used 3 yard machine. I really like the smaller loaders as in 906 Cat or 221 Case but it is more a wish list thing. The small loaders are awesome in snow removal by the way.Hard to say... it's odd that Case came out with a 95XT (which is doing very well), Bobcat followed with the 963 (a tremendous machine, but not a huge seller), and then Gehl followed with the 7800 (another great machine, but I don't know how well it's selling). The 963 was supposed to be a compact wheel loader "killer" in the sense that it was made to have the same productivity characteristics as a CWL.
If Bobcat really will be releasing a S350 or something in 2009, then perhaps the market isn't dead yet -- but here in the States, we don't seem to have a real need for a 4,000 lb ROC machine of any sort. CWL sales aren't amazing, and large skid-steer sales never really caught on. (Europe's another story for CWLs.)
As far as CWL value, I suppose the meaning I intended was just that they might be a more durable, productive solution. Chances are, if you need a machine with that much power, you'll be doing a lot of one thing (lifting, digging, etc) -- and a dedicated task machine (like a CWL or even a dozer or track loader) might be a better option if you're going to be towing/maintaining all that weight anyhow. I haven't looked at prices at all, so I'll take your expertise over mine any day.
I get the impression that many people classify a skidsteer as only doing so much. I will say once you get more than 2000-2500 lifting class a lot of contractors go with dozers or other big equipment. Kaiser is probably one example of a contractor over achieving with a bigger skid instead of having bigger equipment. I know I get comments a lot from clients or contractors that say 'didn't know a skid could do that' because of perceptions. I find this topic very fun to talk about. Will be interesting to see if this segment grows or is it fully matured?
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Never knew that. I guess one thing is do you have to have 'extra strength' attachments to handle the power of this size machines?
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stuvecorp:I am surprised that the big Mustang/Gehl haven't done better. The have power out the wazoo and major lift height. I don't know if they have sold what they have expected ,but I'm pretty sure they did outsold Bobcat 963 pretty early in their production ,I have only seen 2 963 in my life and this area is big in Bobcat and so far here in the Keys alone I know of three Mustangs .
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Yup, and Deere CTL owners give me a woot, woot here please.
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I always wondered why Case never gave the 450/90xt or 465/95xt more power? Maybe another thing to overcome in the big machines is cost, you do jump up money wise when you get in the bigger sizes.
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Stuvecorp, Stay away from the cat 906 WL.. Junk...It is out classed by most... The 963 is done for a reason... They didn't sell. To heavy,wide,price,etc......Bobcat is compact equipment. The X442 is the biggest thing the stuck there name on (16K).....Lets see what happens now that that Doosan has control!!!!!!!
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