I like the height adjustment and no bolt deck cover.

The height adjustment in particular makes this a great unit for working out of a truck bed. I prefer to work out of by bed when I'm alone but got tired of having to lower and raise the deck at every stop on my 48" Gravely.

This control setup is my least favorite but not a huge factor to me.

 

Ditto on control set up.

They don't say if it has TF deck

 

Saw these at GIE. Seems there are 2 levels, the one having more features and being pricier than the other. Thinking they may be following Scag's SWZT model.

Pretty sure the deck is NOT a Turboforce.

I have arthritis in my hands from using the ECS for the last 15 years so the control system does appeal to me, at least.

 

I just talked to my buddy who saw these at Gie. He said The transmission is the Hydrogear 3100 on the regular proline, Hydrogear 3400 on the HDX. The deck is the "titan" style deck and will come in a 48, 52, and 60 inch, no 36.

 

Looks nice. I also like the easy deck adjustment. Any idea on pricing on these?

 

They look huge , or are the guys working with them in the video tiny girly men in skinny jeans?

I think the latter..

 

Msrp? I want one.

 

I love my 52 turboforce with loop controls. Heavy deck for lifting on pins to change up the cutting height can be brutal. Mines been bullet proof for almost 10 years, blades and belts. The only problem with new Toro's, is the hydro walk costs as much as a new stander. If you get it stuck, you're going to need help. I'm kind of surprised they went away from the Tru-Trac Sulky, I think it's the best out there.

 

i thought these were done with the popular presence of standers from nearly every manufacturer now.

 

No
Every major manufacturer is still making wall behinds and people are still buying them.

there's several situations the stander doesn't do what a WB does

 

I believe X mark will come out with a very similar walk behind just like this but with the ECS handles

 

And w/individual pumps/wheel motors.

no 44” like Staris ?

 

And w/individual pumps/wheel motors.

no 44" like Staris ?

Toro used to have a 44 and a 40 wb and stand on
Discontinued due to lack of sales

 

I've tried the small and large standers, and on my hills, they rut and tear turf, or take you on the near death ride to the bottom of a wet hill. So, I'll always have a small (under 36") and large (a 48" or 52") dual hydro walk on the trailer. Nothing wrong with standers and ZT's, I've got them, just prefer to use hydro walk for over 50% of my properties. So I'm happy new products come out like this toro to keep the pipeline full.

 

Walk behinds are still popular. Hell I went to a scag dealer and they said there number 1 mower wad the fixed deck scag swz 52. My exmark dealer has turf tracers and vikings in Stock at all times. I think he told me the number 1 selling commercial mower in the US is the 60 inch exmark turf tracer. I seel plenty of people running those instead of riders and standers. Which makes me think exmark is not coming out with a similar design. They have no incentive to do so.

At my job at Ruppert Landscape I am a foreman and even though they gave me a 60 rider and 60 wb every time I find a spare 60 wb I take it and swap it out for the rider. They are just much more versatile. Standers to Me have become more as a replacement for riders than wbs

 

I keep a WB on the trailer at all times.

 

Standers end up slower and do worse job on our stuff. Leave more trimming, require more push mowing and have to crawl in soft turf.

 

I keep a stander on the trailer at all times.

 

I also prefer the WB over anything else. there is a turf tracer or metro on my trailer everyday

 

Does anyone know if Toro still plans on making other walk behinds including this one next year? Obviously this will take the place of the T2 hydros they still make but what about the fixed deck hydros and belt drives?

 

Check their website. Let's hope it is current.

 

I believe X mark will come out with a very similar walk behind just like this but with the ECS handles

They have been resistant so far. Pretty sure they don't want to put the engineering $ to it. Losing market share will get them in gear.

 

Walk behinds are still popular. Hell I went to a scag dealer and they said there number 1 mower wad the fixed deck scag swz 52. My exmark dealer has turf tracers and vikings in Stock at all times. I think he told me the number 1 selling commercial mower in the US is the 60 inch exmark turf tracer.

Your dealer is lying to you.

Walk behinds are slowly becoming fewer and fewer. If i see a guy on a WB with a sulky doing flat lawns and not hitting ditches, i instantly ask myself, why not a rider or a stand on?

 

I disagree, I went in last spring to check out ferris mowers and they where completely sold out of walk behinds cause they where so poplular!

 

Wright and Ferris and now Toro have recently redesigned their Walks. They are still very popular and mower of choice here.

Standers replace a sit down, not a Walk. Many many guys tearing around on Standers on smaller lots would be better off w/Walks

 

Wright and Ferris and now Toro have recently redesigned their Walks. They are still very popular and mower of choice here.

Standers replace a sit down, not a Walk. Many many guys tearing around on Standers on smaller lots would be better off w/Walks

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, however the assumption and claim that guys on standers are "tearing" around is just plain hogwash.

I rarely see walks anymore, I used to run them, they don't do the trick for me and truly cannot compete with a stander for my use. I don't do many steep hills that would require that benefit from a walk behind. That is the only benefit, well that, and price point.

Very rarely do I see a ferris or a wright walk behind, in fact....maybe never in my hood. Wright hardly makes many of them, they're definitely rugged and simple that's one thing I will give them, but they have slowly been engulfed by the superior stand ons which can do the same and better/easier.

I get that walks have their place, but they are also being replaced by many companies due to the versatility of standers.

My 32" wright stander replaced a 36' walk behind, not a sit down, so you are in correct... Many companies are replacing WB's with standers.

the zero turn stand on mower is by far and away the fastest growing and selling mower, period, and it's replacing both wb's and riders.

 

All the big crews here run Walks. Leave less trimming, require less push mowing in drainage ditches and slopes and soft turf. Require less 3 point turns. And don’t tear up turf near as frequently.

You see a Stander on a trailer it’s always replaced by push mowers or Walks soon after.

 

That's cool, and maybe in new york you guys are behind the times, but i can tell you big crews here aren't running walks anymore and neither am I. For good reason.

Again, it's not really a point to be argued, walks are being replaced with standers on a regular basis. If you are in this industry and you know this industry you will know that majority of the large companies are really putting focus on their standers, because they're selling and are what companies want. walks are slowly fading away.

that doesnt mean you don't have a use for them, but it means most arent using them like they did before, they're being replaced.

having run both, you are incorrect, especially if you are talking about 48" or bigger decks, the stand ons are faster, and do not tear any more than a walk.

stand ons used to just replace the riders, i get that notion. that is no longer the case. they are in demand with former walk mowers, and that's a fact. stand ons are booming, walk behinds are not.

 

Lol. We had super surfers avail here almost 30 yrs ago. Standers just don’t work well in our stuff at all. Guys doing larger complexes have replaced sit downs but that’s it.

 

That is specific to your area. The entire market has seen a massive boom in stand on mowers.

There has been no such boom for walk behinds. In fact, they aren't selling like they once did, it might be safe to say they are dying?

 

Right. So Ferris and Wright and now Toro have done major overhaul redesigns of their Walk line ups in past 5 yrs. Makes sense.