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Southern turf what to add with urea spray

5.3K views 18 replies 9 participants last post by  Rick1111  
#1 ·
What good nutrients would you suggest to be added when spraying 46/0/0 as my first round green up fert around May. Bermuda and zoysia. I do add Bifen to help keep insects in early instars under control and this has worked well. But I'm wanting to up my turf nutrients early on. Thanks in advance. Not new to this been in for about 9 years. But I've always thought just high N could be better if done with something else a product that's pretty much the micros but I don't know of one. Thx again.
 
#2 ·
Test some micronutrient mixtures first.
If they do not produce much response--you probably don't need them--save yourself some big money. Also be sure to do a few full-detail soil tests or tissue tests--just to be sure that your micronutrients are all at sufficient levels.
Then you can go with the urea--probably adding some potash at the same time. Typical is to use about 14 percent as much potash as nitrogen.
Be sure to understand how to avoid burning the grass with the urea. The chance of fertilizer burn goes up in a major way when the temp exceeds 80 degrees--skip the potash on those days.
You did not say so--I am assuming you applied crabgrass control earlier in the season. I am assuming you plan to include Trimec for broadleaf control.
 
#4 ·
Would adding in some iron help? Have to make sure the turf is growing and not stressed. Sounds like your pH is good from what you mentioned.

I use a lot of organics in 3 of my 4 fert rounds. I remove it for the summer app due to it sticking. Cool season turf here. And I use at least 75% slow release fertilizer.

Just thinking out loud!!!
 
#7 ·
Potassium would be a good option I feel like. Adding potassium may help with more N absorption or make it more efficient.

for every pound of N I apply I figure the turf will use 1/2 lb K

at the end of the day you can’t make the turf green up. warmer air/soil temps will be the cog that gets the wheel going.
 
#8 ·
Potassium would be a good option I feel like. Adding potassium may help with more N absorption or make it more efficient.

for every pound of N I apply I figure the turf will use 1/2 lb K

at the end of the day you can't make the turf green up. warmer air/soil temps will be the cog that gets the wheel going.
Yep. I quit spraying N in the spring. You can't tell any difference so we dropped that cost.
 
#9 ·
Urea is about 1/2 if not 1/3 the cost of granular. That's why I've got some room to add. But down here I wouldn't skip on the spring fert. TG pushes N so hard it's stupid. But they are delivering a product. They push it way early and very hard.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Urea nitrogen is low in cost. If you are really cheap, and feel you cannot raise your prices --(much)--apply urea with a spreader. Coated urea is better--but if your customers will accept quick green and do not notice the lack of green a few weeks later--go for it. If you can find a formula with about 14 percent as much potassium--that would be helpful.
Phosphorus is not usually needed--outlawed here in Michigan and some other states. We don't miss it.
If you want to use it, the small size granules of prilled urea are a bit difficult to spread.
It takes a bit of practice. Easy to burn the grass.
Calibrate carefully.
Beware of humid weather. Urea can form lumps that will remain on your spreader screen.
 
#14 ·
Spreading granular urea with a spreader is cheaper because it is quicker than using sprayer and hose. Save the trouble and labor cost of adding gas to pump and dissolving urea in the tank.
If you are going to spray--why not include herbicide for weeds? That is probably the main customer concern, (along with crabgrass). Of course, there is a two times per year limit on 2,4-D--however you can switch to a non-2,4-D product like Lesco Eliminate for your third weed application. Same as Horsepower.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Keep in mind Eliminate by Lesco contains triclopyr in addition to MCPA and dicamba. Use it when you need the power of triclopyr or when you are likely to reach the yearly 2 application limit of 2,4-D. You can always use 3-way in the spring and Eliminate for a late summer or fall treatments.
Of course, if you need more weed control power--use the maximum rate. And consider a surfactant.
Spot spraying, no limit. Good product for spot spraying, as the main cost of spot spraying is the labor. Cost of the herbicide is minor in spot spray situations.

Not for carpet grass nor St Augustine.
 
#18 ·
I hit with bifen, just to prevent the fire ants, and then I don't have to do anything for them until it wears off around Aug 1, by then i'm worried about damn armyworms.

I always add extra K now, and I rarely have any dollar spot when I go pretty well with that, so I don't have to hit with fungicide nearly as much.

I always add some micros, and 3% iron. I use Axilo Mix 5.
 
#19 ·
Good gosh I hope we don't have a repeat of last year on the army worms. Great for biz but took out a lot of our lawns before we could get there. I'm still planning on Bifen in round 3. Seems to help with general tuef insects. I've had a few customers tell me that their inside insects dimenished to almost nothing after a couple seasons of us doing this when they always had problems with ants, roaches, spiders etc.