There is a key and a keyway I took a picture of that is visable and I had to downsize it.

 

Well...that's different....
Find a bolt and thread it into the crank...
Bump it loose with an air hammer..

 

Right on, Slapper. I'm having a real problem wrapping my mind around the wrenchin(and leverage) involved in twisting off the end of the crank.

 

I'm having a real problem wrapping my mind around the wrenchin(and leverage) involved in twisting off the end of the crank.

I'm having the same issue Dutch...... All I can say is... WOW !!!

 

A little anti-seize goes a long way....

 

To break the crank like that, how big was that wrench?!?!

 

Right on, Slapper. I'm having a real problem wrapping my mind around the wrenchin(and leverage) involved in twisting off the end of the crank.

I'm on the same page...
Just how was the crank secured on the other end...to allow enough torque..to snap the shaft.??
That's some BigTime wrench bendin....

 

how big was that wrench?!?!

A better question would be...... How big is the goon pull'n on that wrench ???

 

Looks like the result of a 16 inch Cresent wrench and a 6 foot cheater. It doesn't take a big boy if the cheater is sufficiently long.

 

A physically large guy meets a woman at a bar, and after a number of drinks, they agree to go back to his place.
As they are making out in the bedroom, ready for the act, he stands up and starts to undress. After he takes his shirt off, he flexes his muscular arms and says, "See there, baby? That's 1000 pounds of Dynamite!"
She begins to drool. The man drops his pants, strikes a bodybuilder's pose, and says, referring to his bulging legs, "See those, baby? That's 1000 pounds of dynamite!" She is aching for action at this point.
Finally, he drops his underpants, and she grabs her purse and runs screaming to the front door.
He catches her before she is able to run out the door, and asks, "Why are you in such a hurry to leave?"
She replies, "With 2000 pounds of dynamite, and such a short fuse, I was afraid you were about to blow the clutch.
:waving::waving::waving::waving::waving::waving::waving:

 

A physically large guy meets a woman at a bar, and after a number of drinks, they agree to go back to his place.
As they are making out in the bedroom, ready for the act, he stands up and starts to undress. After he takes his shirt off, he flexes his muscular arms and says, "See there, baby? That's 1000 pounds of Dynamite!"
She begins to drool. The man drops his pants, strikes a bodybuilder's pose, and says, referring to his bulging legs, "See those, baby? That's 1000 pounds of dynamite!" She is aching for action at this point.
Finally, he drops his underpants, and she grabs her purse and runs screaming to the front door.
He catches her before she is able to run out the door, and asks, "Why are you in such a hurry to leave?"
She replies, "With 2000 pounds of dynamite, and such a short fuse, I was afraid you were about to blow the clutch.
:waving::waving::waving::waving::waving::waving::waving:

What the SamHill does this have to do with removing a clutch on a Toro.???????
Grow up Already...

 

What the SamHill does this have to do with removing a clutch on a Toro.???????
Grow up Already...

My apologies to the OP...

It may be time to convene the Council Of Elders on this forum ..
To deal with the content contributed to this and many other threads....

All those in favor....say Aye....(chime in )

 

Aye....
Let's clean it up..

 

To break the crank like that, how big was that wrench?!?!

NEWS FLASH!!!! The crank ain't broke!!
From what I can see, the only part broken is the powdered metal spacer/button. How he managed to break that, I ain't got a clue!! You can try soakin thru the bolt hole and using Slappers technique. Good luck

 

You could be right Fish. If the OP would post a pic of the back side of the flange bushing we'd certainly have an answer. There doesn't appear to be any threads in the broken off portion so it's likely not the crank we are seeing.

 

A better question would be...... How big is the goon pull'n on that wrench ???

He is about 6', gained a little [lot] of weight and looks like me!

I think fish got it, I thought I twisted the end off the crank too! I got disgusted and said f it and posted. In case you are interested, I used a 16" klien spud and a 2' cheater bar standing on it. The back end was secured with an aluminum pipe wrench. Some times you gotta do what you got to do.
Hindsight is clear, a crankshaft would not be hollow, but it could be threaded, which is was not, I was stymied.

I will try and dig that spacer thing out tomorrow using slappers info.
Thanks!

 

Hindsight is clear, a crankshaft would not be hollow, but it could be threaded, which is is and I was stymied.

 

NEWS FLASH!!!! The crank ain't broke!!
From what I can see, the only part broken is the powdered metal spacer/button. How he managed to break that, I ain't got a clue!! You can try soakin thru the bolt hole and using Slappers technique. Good luck

News Flash is right, I really could care less. I'm just looking at a picture and making a guess. After reading the same question's over and over again, It's nice to read or see some different picture's every once in a while.

1. I handed out 1 billion flyer's, how many phone calls can I expect?
2. I sprayed my whole yard with round-up, why is the grass dying?
3. How much to cut this cemetery, It's got 9000 tombstones?
4. Is this truck a good deal? (craigslist link)
5. How do you handle yards full of dog crap?
6. Customer wont pay. Now what?
7. To get new customer's I'm offer a $9.99 special. Is this lowballiing?
8. How should I arrange my new 16' trailer?
9. Who's working this holiday?
Then there's my favorite- grass cutter's giving tax advice.

I'm sorry guy's. It's been a long winter.

 

He is about 6', gained a little [lot] of weight and looks like me!

I think fish got it, I thought I twisted the end off the crank too! I got disgusted and said f it and posted. In case you are interested, I used a 16" klien spud and a 2' cheater bar standing on it. The back end was secured with an aluminum pipe wrench. Some times you gotta do what you got to do.
Hindsight is clear, a crankshaft would not be hollow, but it could be threaded, which is was not, I was stymied.

I will try and dig that spacer thing out tomorrow using slappers info.
Thanks!

Ya think I got it? C'mon man, this ain't my first rodeo!

Anyways, you don't need to get that stub out! Screw the crank bolt in and pry out on the clutch assy while banging on the bolt. You did soak it down , right? After the clutch is off you can tap the stub out.

 

Ya think I got it? C'mon man, this ain't my first rodeo!

Anyways, you don't need to get that stub out! Screw the crank bolt in and pry out on the clutch assy while banging on the bolt. You did soak it down , right? After the clutch is off you can tap the stub out.

I have soaked it today and will try again tomorrow. Thanks for your information. I bought this junker for parts to use on my new project...my project seems too nice to use parts from her, so I'll probably let it sleep until it's needed.

 

Let me get this straight...

1. You PAID for a junker?
2. Then you BROKE off the end of that engine's CRANK shaft?
3. And now you're here asking US how deep?

Son...
I don't know where to begin but for starters I don't pay for junk.

 

Well, if the price is right, that junker can yeild a treasure trove of servicable parts. Besides, the price was right.
What you or the others don't know, I purchased a 06' Lazer Z that was a thieft recovery, home owner owned, 800hrs. Price, I won't tell, but it was under $800.
It had no engine, no pto clutch, no front pulley, no engine no muffler guards.
The donor Z had a muffler that I wire wheeled then acid prepped and painted with outdoor grill paint, saved at least $130 or so and it looks new.
Front pulley to drive hydros and 3 piece engine guards from Exmark, I was quoted $180 for that, which came off the Junker.
Warner 5218-99 clutch $300 plus change from dealer. Clutch spacer from dealer $8-15??
Now, the clutch on this mower, a Toro Z Master, will not fit my Exmark, but will fit my Hustler.
Paid $150 dollars from the dealer for junker, yeilds: muffler, muffler guard, engine guards [3], front pulley and a pto clutch I can use on my Hustler Z.
The hydro pumps and motors are probably good, so....my friend, since diapers, has been a small engine mechanic for 25yrs or so and works at an Exmark dealership in a town not far away, is willing to let me trade the junker, a Toro Z Master in exchange for a NEW Warner 5219-99.
He is willing to let me keep the clutch, since he thinks I broke it, I still haven't tried to get it off, doing irrigation work, but will soon.

Oh, I forgot, I put a Kolher ch-750, 30hp for $1950.
That is the front castor of the junker below the new engine picture. I have it running, waiting on new clutch and spacer.
kenny

 

BigFish is 110% correct with what part you broke on the clutch and that it is NOT the crankshaft that is broken.
Try what BigFish and piston slapper suggested to get the clutch off, but be warned that you will probably destroy it completely if it hasn't come off yet at this point. As mentioned, had there been any/enough anti-seize on the crankshaft, this would not have happened.
Below are several pictures of a similar designed clutch I took apart to show the parts that make it up. NOTE the "double flat" shaped hub is the powder pressed part that you twisted off and broke... Hope these pictures help you get an idea of what your dealing with.

 

Here is a couple more pictures...

 

Good photos and info on da clutch setup! I'm sure it will help somebody.