I bought a product from Branch Creek called Prizefighter just recently, but have not tried it. Phasthound said there are some other products out there also.

https://branchcreek.earth/products/prizefighter/

 

Yah, that's the same thing as SCYTHE. We use that for our Organic customers (who refuse to allow us to use Round-up, and we charge a lot more for these accounts). But again, this doesn't kill down to the root like Round-up. It basically just burns the leaves of the plant, above ground. Then the weed returns in a few weeks, with new leaves.

 

The few people that ask me about round up and if I use it, I say hell yea I use it. I just don’t take a bath in it or wear sandalsand shorts when spraying it. Common sense should prevail and is perfectly safe when USED according to the label.

Something for your customers to think about…acetic acid, AKA vinegar, is 70% more toxic than glyphosate. Acetic acid is a waste product our bodies excrete. Google LD50 for vinegar.

Educate them the best way you can…

 

The few people that ask me about round up and if I use it, I say hell yea I use it. I just don't take a bath in it or wear sandalsand shorts when spraying it. Common sense should prevail and is perfectly safe when USED according to the label.

LOL. Have you ever heard much about Portland, OR? It's not like common sense is prevailing here. People get these notions in their head that Round-up is the devil from the magazines they read, the people they hang out with, local news stories, local legislation and decisions boards have made (for instance, you can't use any herbicides at all at public schools here in OR - stupid). It's more than you can just overcome with reason. People are hearing about how Round-up is the devil and rumors start going around about how kids and dogs will get cancer from touching it, etc. Then you mix that with the snowflakes we have around here and it's just a losing battle, to try to logically talk someone out of it, when they are already convinced.

 

Cheetah pro
Finale
Both work well basically the same products

 

Cheetah pro
Finale
Both work well basically the same products

This is the best alternative I've been able to find as well. But Glufosinate isn't as effective as Glysophate is. It doesn't translocate throughout the entire plant like Glyphosate does. Meaning, it doesn't kill all the way down the roots.

 

Esplanade ez from bayer.

 

Glyphosate + Diquat. Basically Round-up Quick Pro. Again, I'm not going to lie to my customers and tell them we're not using Round-up, when we really are.

 

Switch to Rodeo. No surfactant package like Roundup and Rodeo is labeled for aquatic use — no harm to fish, etc. Just tell people, nope, it’s not that evil Roundup; it’s Rodeo.

 

Switch to Rodeo. No surfactant package like Roundup and Rodeo is labeled for aquatic use - no harm to fish, etc. Just tell people, nope, it's not that evil Roundup; it's Rodeo.

But Rodeo is still Glyphosate. It's still Round-up, just a different brand name. So then I'm lying to customers. Or at least being disingenuous. Not a fan of doing business that way.

 

"We can understand your concerns. As an alternative, we can dig out weeds. It will cost you a little more but you won't have to worry about Roundup."

 

Yep! We do that a fair amount of the time. We can also control the weeds with organic weed control spray, like SCYTHE. But that doesn't kill down to the root. So we're spraying more often. And we charge a fair amount more for that kind of service. We have several customers on our organic program where we do just that.

 

Diesel fuel.

 

Try getting on do my own pest control and plug in weed killer. Although I’m sure it will pull up gly type products, it may give you a few that may work for the applications you are doing.

 

Look up Fusilade 2. It's not a kill all but you can spray over many plants without harming them. If you add diquat it will do all that Glysophate will. Add sureguard to it and keep weeds away 8-12 weeks.

 

1/2 cup of salt per gallon of water with a tablespoon of dish soap per gallon to act as a surfactant.
It will kill and keep killing.

 

I live on Vancouver Island, a fairly hippyish community. There must be more foreigners coming in because a lot of people are more and more open to roundup now. Maybe it's the fact that it's cheaper than digging weeds and still safer than "spilling" diesel. Usually the first thing people say when I cautiously ask about roundup is "isn't is banned?" We don't do spraying but I do recommend they do it themselves or hire a company who does use it.

 

Round-up my friend.
It has done more to expand Landscaping (IMO) than any single product. What did we do before Round up? We pulled weeds by hand! Once we had a safe, effective weed control product we had planting beds, perennial gardens, etc. that the average Joe could afford to take care of. According to the W.H.O, roundup has the same cancer causing rate as "red meat".

 

1/2 cup of salt per gallon of water with a tablespoon of dish soap per gallon to act as a surfactant.
It will kill and keep killing.

As a professional you can't do that legally. Unless this mixture has been specifically tested and approved by the EPA for use as a herbicide then you cannot apply it as so. You can spray this mixture all over your own property with no issues. The minute you spray it on a clients property you are breaking the law.

 

Is there freakin ANYTHING on the market that is a broad spectrum herbicide that kills weeds and brush - down to the roots - like Round-Up does? I can't find anything! Every time I find an herbicide that says it's for general weed and brush control I find out that it really just burns the leaves of the plant - doesn't kill down to the root. No point in that, IMO. If I spray it, I want it to be dead - not just stunted.

We've gone to using Snapshot pretty widespread on all of the accounts we maintain, so that we can minimize our use of Round-Up. But we still have to use it, because there's nothing else that does what it does.

Just for the record, I don't have any problems with Round-Up. I've done the research. And I've been using that at our family's nursery since I was a kid and in my business for 25+ years now. It's just I'm in Portland. And people are a little more liberal here. And a lot of them get all worked up thinking Round-Up is the devil. So we have to talk people off the ledge all the time when they find out we are using it.

We use ranger pro. You didn't list what you tried in the past so I'm not sure if you tried this yet.

 

Ranger Pro is 41% glyphosate with surfactant already in it. He said he didn't want to use glyphosate.

 

For broadleaf brush, Triclopyr will kill almost anything. The problem is you can't spray ester formulations of it in the heat. For grasses simazine at the highest rate will kill or really slow down a lot of grasses. It will also keep grasses from germinating. You can spray simazine right over the top of most plants.

 

There are some who suspect (I included) that it's the surfactant package and other inactives in Roundup that source anecdotes about how dangerous it is. The fact that Roundup has been found to be dangerous to aquatic life but Rodeo isn't tells me something is very different. Glyphosate is a harmless (in my opinion based on available science) chelating agent. Rodeo is not Roundup. You would not be lying to anyone.

Yes...I'm in that boat re the "surfactant makes the poison". I've been using aquatic-registered glyphosate for over a decade on ALL weed killing upland AND aquatic... + add my choice of aquatic-registered surfactant. I won't use Roundup Custom (for upland AND aquatic...add surfactant) due to customers freaking over the brand. I'm currently using AquaStar glyphosate + Aquachem90 surfactant (local rebrand of Activator90). Also use Cide-Kick II and testing LI-700...I've started doing online research re LD50 of aquatic surfactants to match with plant targets/products. Rodeo is difficult to locate 'round here on DelMarVa; old standby Aquaneat was discontinued. As a glyphosate replacement, I'm going to try certified organic AXXE and/or FinalSan (I've used Scythe for years bot wow...the smell!)...but even these can be difficult to locate at this time of year.

 

LOL. Have you ever heard much about Portland, OR? It's not like common sense is prevailing here. People get these notions in their head that Round-up is the devil from the magazines they read, the people they hang out with, local news stories, local legislation and decisions boards have made (for instance, you can't use any herbicides at all at public schools here in OR - stupid). It's more than you can just overcome with reason. People are hearing about how Round-up is the devil and rumors start going around about how kids and dogs will get cancer from touching it, etc. Then you mix that with the snowflakes we have around here and it's just a losing battle, to try to logically talk someone out of it, when they are already convinced.

I live in the Pacific North West. I don't spray but once in a blue moon if I really have to because people are so crazy with all that around here. It's the reason I never have gone ahead and became licensed for herbs in my state. I used to use a torch, but with all the fires we've had, people will go nuts about that as well even if it's in the spring. Last time I sprayed anything was last May on a gravel driveway where a customer of mine parks their RV. My customer usually sprays their own driveway, as I don't spray, but they were traveling in their RV and asked if I could get rid of the weeds that popped up in the driveway while they were gone. I pull the weeds in their beds, but pulling weeds popping up in gravel is a nightmare, so I picked up some 20% vinegar along with some casoron granules. Anyways, I'm spraying all this Chinese clover that had popped up in this driveway, when some lady with a N95 mask comes power walking up the driveway shouting "EXCUSE ME EXCUSE ME." I stop spraying as the lady gets closer, and she starts to yell at me in a crazy loud voice that's muffled by her mask. She says "I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't spray a carcinogenic in my neighborhood. We don't do Round up here. All of that is going to make it's way to the sidewalk where I walk my dogs." With these types in my part of the country, you have to be really careful, because they can go nuclear very easily if you take the bait and argue with them. I simply told her that I was spraying vinegar and didn't challenge her ridiculous statement. She just stood their with a with an angry look, and said "you shouldn't be spraying anything at all. Were are the property owner? I want to speak with them." I told her that they took their RV down to Arizona, and she goes off on this rant about how irresponsible people are being during a pandemic. I just smiled nodded and agreed until she walked away. Then when she turns the corner, she comes flying back up the driveway claiming my truck is leaking oil on the street, so I walk down the drive way to were I'm parked only to tell her it's water from the air conditioning. She tells me that I should still get that "leak" fixed and finally goes away. This woman was maybe 25 years old at the most.

I can't wait to leave the Pacific Northwest. People like this neighbor literally move here from other parts of the country to surround themselves with other people that suck just like them. It gets worse every year.

 

I live in the Pacific North West. I don't spray but once in a blue moon if I really have to because people are so crazy with all that around here.

I can't wait to leave the Pacific Northwest. People like this neighbor literally move here from other parts of the country to surround themselves with other people that suck just like them. It gets worse every year.

I just went through the same experience contract-spraying municipal curblines and road surfaces. One old gray-hair Karen in Town raised a ruckus on social media and got a firestorm going; despite being licensed to spray I pay an arm-and-a-leg for business liability insurance to cover my ass as well as condition of my license...and her house is on the no-spray list. Told Town this high-risk spray in residential areas is too much lawsuit potential on my insurance so I wanted to change management plans to stop or reduce it dramatically. Especially since the complainers said that they hand pull, scrape of dig out their weeds by hand...then I decided that ALL of Town residents can now follow her lead and things grow into a jungle. My NEW just drafted IVM Plan divides Town into Sectors and specific targets that receive minimal herbicide treatment along with starting experimenting again with natural derivatives and new organics for special areas or spots...But to the haters the only good herbicide spray is NO spray...even if organic.

 

I worked for a bit with one of the PHD's that developed RU for Monsanto. He said that he could drink it with no harm. It was developed to give homeowners and landscaper's a safe product to spray weeds out of landscapes and driveways. One of the greatest chemicals ever derived.

 

Good theory, but this lady successfully committed suicide with it. It sounds like it was due to the surfactant more than the glyphosate Pathological and Toxicological Findings in Glyphosate-Surfac... : The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology (lww.com)

 

Have you researched Tribune? You really should apply a good granular pre-emergent early in the season (granular will keep the nosey-tree huggers at bay) and follow up with spot treatments as necessary to keep weeds in check.

 

Is there freakin ANYTHING on the market that is a broad spectrum herbicide that kills weeds and brush - down to the roots - like Round-Up does? I can't find anything! Every time I find an herbicide that says it's for general weed and brush control I find out that it really just burns the leaves of the plant - doesn't kill down to the root. No point in that, IMO. If I spray it, I want it to be dead - not just stunted.

We've gone to using Snapshot pretty widespread on all of the accounts we maintain, so that we can minimize our use of Round-Up. But we still have to use it, because there's nothing else that does what it does.

Just for the record, I don't have any problems with Round-Up. I've done the research. And I've been using that at our family's nursery since I was a kid and in my business for 25+ years now. It's just I'm in Portland. And people are a little more liberal here. And a lot of them get all worked up thinking Round-Up is the devil. So we have to talk people off the ledge all the time when they find out we are using it.

Tell them no I don't use Round up (if your using a generic). I hope you don't pay retail prices for "Round Up". Tell them I switched to "whatever it is you buy". Or just tell them nah I use Glycophate. Most of them only know what they hear on Dr shows.

 

Is there freakin ANYTHING on the market that is a broad spectrum herbicide that kills weeds and brush - down to the roots - like Round-Up does? I can't find anything! Every time I find an herbicide that says it's for general weed and brush control I find out that it really just burns the leaves of the plant - doesn't kill down to the root. No point in that, IMO. If I spray it, I want it to be dead - not just stunted.

We've gone to using Snapshot pretty widespread on all of the accounts we maintain, so that we can minimize our use of Round-Up. But we still have to use it, because there's nothing else that does what it does.

Just for the record, I don't have any problems with Round-Up. I've done the research. And I've been using that at our family's nursery since I was a kid and in my business for 25+ years now. It's just I'm in Portland. And people are a little more liberal here. And a lot of them get all worked up thinking Round-Up is the devil. So we have to talk people off the ledge all the time when they find out we are using it.

try Lesco prosecutor it works great! Takes a little time but, eats it down to nothin.

 

It should work great-it is 41% glyphosate with surfactant.

 

Roundup's new name is, "non-residual, broad spectrum", herbicide.

 

Is there freakin ANYTHING on the market that is a broad spectrum herbicide that kills weeds and brush - down to the roots - like Round-Up does? I can't find anything! Every time I find an herbicide that says it's for general weed and brush control I find out that it really just burns the leaves of the plant - doesn't kill down to the root. No point in that, IMO. If I spray it, I want it to be dead - not just stunted.

We've gone to using Snapshot pretty widespread on all of the accounts we maintain, so that we can minimize our use of Round-Up. But we still have to use it, because there's nothing else that does what it does.

Just for the record, I don't have any problems with Round-Up. I've done the research. And I've been using that at our family's nursery since I was a kid and in my business for 25+ years now. It's just I'm in Portland. And people are a little more liberal here. And a lot of them get all worked up thinking Round-Up is the devil. So we have to talk people off the ledge all the time when they find out we are using it.

Speedzone, end of issue. Works great, shows on most weeds in 6 to 12 hours.

 

2,4-D, 2-ethylhexyl ester . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28.57%

I haven't used 2,4-D in over a decade and NO substitute for Roundup/glyphosate products. Sorry.

 

You could look into making tank mixes. A few examples that may work: Sethoxydim, Lontrel, Basagran, and Sulfentrazone in some cases.

 

Seen a pop up add the other day that said Monsato removing gly from round up. But didnt click on it