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Fuel Stabilizer for regular use, Yay or Nay?

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#1 ·
There are a few old threads on this, but nothing in the last several years, so I figured I'd open the debate up again. Have at it!

Sometime back when ethanol became the norm as a gas additive, I started putting Sta-bil in my mix and four stroke tanks at every fill up. I think a mechanic told me or I read it somewhere in a manual that it was a good idea to alleviate the impacts of ethanol on small engine parts. I was running three chainsaws at the time, some blowers, trimmers, hedgers etc. The chainsaws I was running full time selling firewood but the other equipment saw less use, and things like the hedger might have gotten used three or four times a year. My thinking was that I didn't need to worry as much about leaving gas around for long times if it had the stabilizer in it. Truth is, I have several pieces of equipment that are 17-20 plus years old, still running well, had few issues, and have probably ran Sta-Bil thru nearly every tank since 2006 or so. I know ethanol free gas is preferrable, but just a few stations here carry it that are often out of the way depending on my project that day.

Recently an employee told me what I was doing was wrong and that I was actually doing harm to my engines by constantly running Sta Bil thru them. I pointed out that my equipment from 15 years ago is still running, and I have done very little maintenance on a few items. We argued about it a bit, and the next week he asked three people for their opinions: an equipmnet rental yard owner, a Stihl shop owner and the owners son. They all said that the stabilizer was not needed, and the rental owner said it would cause the powerheads to get too hot and eventually damage them...He said that two stroke oil already has stabilizers in it, and if anything, just to put a little two stroke in my straight gas if I am storing a long time.

Whatcha all think?
 
#2 · (Edited)
Dang. Got me thinking. For back ground, I worked for a Stihl distributor and had my own mower/ saw shop for a while.

For the record I use E-O in my two strokes. I also use sta-bil in fuel I plan to store. I also put 1 ounce 2 stroke oil to 5 gallons gas in everything not a 2 stroke.

It's true that Stihl 2 stroke oil helps stabilize fuel. It also has an emulsifier to help the oil mix with the alcohol.

What is throwing me off is them saying sta-bil will make it run hot. Only thing I can think of is maybe it throws off the A/F ratio.

Sta-bil works by sacrificing itself and absorbing the Oxygen trapped in the gas container.

I would like to see an explanation of how makes the engine run hot
 
#3 ·
Sitting through training sessions over the years with Sea Foam, Star Tron, Sta-Bil and B3C I am of the opinion that using stabilizer all the time should not cause any issues. I personally put stabilizer in my fuel containers before I fill them so it's always in there and I don't need to think about any other time. Just one man's opinion.
 
#5 ·
..................and the rental owner said it would cause the powerheads to get too hot and eventually damage them...He said that two stroke oil already has stabilizers in it, and if anything, just to put a little two stroke in my straight gas if I am storing a long time.

Whatcha all think?
Nothing in Stabil will cause higher operating temperatures. That's totally untrue and would lead me to disregard anything else this guy has to say.

And the thought that 2-stroke oil added to gasoline will aid in storing is also false.

StaBil is always a great idea. It might not help under all conditions but it surely won't hurt anything. If that were the case they would be overwhelmed with lawsuits. Any 4-stroke engine on lawn equipment will be just fine with 87 octane pump fuel with StaBil added. Storage shouldn't be for more than 3-4 weeks if it is ethanol fuel. StaBil added to non-ethanol fuel can extend the storage time to 6 months under normal conditions.

2-Stroke engines on trimmers etc may fair better on non-ethanol fuel and a QUALITY 2-stroke oil. StaBil can be added as mentioned above.

And in the end ........ Your equipment has been running excellent for 15 years. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. (y)
 
#6 ·
We always add some sea foam to all equipment every spring to clean out anything that may have gunked up over the winter, of course winters in GA could be very short and non eventful, but we always did it. Helped the stihls start better and kept the carbs a little cleaner.....
 
#21 ·
I never had a problem doing things that way, I don't buy into all these conspiracy theories with the ethanol either except lately I've actually been mixing fuel grades. That being said I keep running high grade premium in all my stihls.
The mowers and the truck get mix fuel.

One thing I noted in terms of fuel going stale, the emptier the tank the faster it goes stale.
Same if it sits in the sun.
The figures aren't exact but just an example:
A 1/4 tank of fuel sitting in the sun might go stale in 3-4 maybe 6 months.
Gasoline in a full tank sitting in the shade can go a year or two easy with little to no deterioration.

Last but not least, 2-stroke oil is basically a fuel stabilizer.

Back to mixing fuels, take this straight fuel pricing scheme (per gallon):
Regular 87 octane $4.448
Mid-grade 89 octane $4.851
Premium 93 octane $5.188

Start mixing, come to find out:
1 gallon regular to 2 gallons premium = 91 octane averages $4.94 / gallon
1 gallon regular to 1 gallon premium = 90 octane averages $4.818 / gallon
2 gallons regular to 1 gallon premium = 89 octane averages $4.695 / gallon

The various mixes produce an interesting price point that proves one thing for sure, mid-grade fuel is a rip-off.

Usually I travel around 600 miles between fill ups, when I pull up to a fuel station I usually take on between 60-75 gallons so 10-15 cents a gallon means $5 and for that I'll mix the fuels because it only takes a few minutes, besides the pump cuts me off at $150 necessitating a reset anyhow.
 
#11 ·
Did you read the article?
Actually...from the article linked:

You only need Mid-grade or Premium gas (89-octane or higher) if you have a vehicle with a high compression ratio,
And.....
Now that you also understand octane, you know it’s not necessary to waste money on Premium or Midgrade gas unless you have a high compression engine or your owner's manual specifies it.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I had a modded 97 Bonneville SSEi with the bullet proof 3.8 Supercharged motor. Highway speeds from the on-ramp. 🚗💨 Premium only. Gauge pod to monitor knock because I was modded. Fun car.
PS: Was there a check engine light on? Usually if it keeps pinging/knocking it could be the knock sensors not adjusting the timing to reduce the knock. /hijack
 
#15 ·
I don't know what sta-bil and Stihl use in there 2 stroke oil. I am just saying they advertise that there two stroke oil has stabilizer in it and quick google search shows other brands advertise that there 2 stroke oil stabilizes gas.

Maybe the oil itself helps. IDK. I am not saying not use sta- I am saying there is merit to saying 2 stroke oil has stabilizer in it.

I use both.
 
#16 ·
I don't know what sta-bil and Stihl use in there 2 stroke oil. I am just saying they advertise that there two stroke oil has stabilizer in it and quick google search shows other brands advertise that there 2 stroke oil stabilizes gas.

Maybe the oil itself helps. IDK. I am not saying not use sta- I am saying there is merit to saying 2 stroke oil has stabilizer in it.

I use both.
So do you trust your expensive equipment to an oil that says it has something in it, but doesn't bother to list that compound? Or do you use a quality oil and add something yourself? Just food for thought ....... ;)

I have built and raced 2-stroke engines for years and we are very meticulous with our fuel and oil as well as the mixture. And the quality 2-stroke oils that we use do have compounds in them that help prevent separation from the fuel. That may be what they are referring to when they reference a stabilizer.
 
#22 ·
There are a few old threads on this, but nothing in the last several years, so I figured I'd open the debate up again. Have at it!
Sometime back when ethanol became the norm as a gas additive, I started putting Sta-bil in my mix and four stroke tanks at every fill up. I think a mechanic told me or I read it somewhere in a manual that it was a good idea to alleviate the impacts of ethanol on small engine parts. I was running three chainsaws at the time, some blowers, trimmers, hedgers etc. The chainsaws I was running full time selling firewood but the other equipment saw less use, and things like the hedger might have gotten used three or four times a year. My thinking was that I didn't need to worry as much about leaving gas around for long times if it had the stabilizer in it. Truth is, I have several pieces of equipment that are 17-20 plus years old, still running well, had few issues, and have probably ran Sta-Bil thru nearly every tank since 2006 or so. I know ethanol free gas is preferable, but just a few stations here carry it that are often out of the way depending on my project that day.

Recently an employee told me what I was doing was wrong and that I was actually doing harm to my engines by constantly running Sta Bil thru them. I pointed out that my equipment from 15 years ago is still running, and I have done very little maintenance on a few items. We argued about it a bit, and the next week he asked three people for their opinions: an equipment rental yard owner, a Stihl shop owner and the owners son. They all said that the stabilizer was not needed, and the rental owner said it would cause the powerheads to get too hot and eventually damage them...He said that two stroke oil already has stabilizers in it, and if anything, just to put a little two stroke in my straight gas if I am storing a long time.

Whatcha all think?

Otherwise, instead of consistently running fuel stabilizer, just use the VP Small Engine Fuel.
 
#26 ·
I stopped using ethanol free gas in my handhelds because the closest station was 40 minutes away, and started using Startron additive about three years ago, and have had no problems.
 
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#40 · (Edited)
No E0 available at pumps in my area. I don't routinely add any stabilizer to my fuel during the landscaping season. I will add Star-Tron or Seafoam to 4 stroke lawn equipment stored over the winter, my generators and 4 stroke snow blowers. My 2 stroke mix has a fuel stabilizer in it. For my seldom-used equipment such as chain saws and hedge trimmers I run canned E0.

Just a note that there are different measurements systems for octane. Be sure that you're comparing octane recommendations in your operator's manual to the same rating system used in your area. Internationally the most common is RON whereas in the US and Canada it's the AKI rating system (aka PON). Gasoline with an 87 AKI/PON would meet the requirement for 89 RON.
 
#41 ·
My 2 stroke mix has a fuel stabilizer in it.
And it might not be what you think it is. ;)

A lot of 2-stroke oils mention a "stabilizer". On some of these this is an additive that discourages separation between the oil and the fuel it is mixed with. In other terms, it stabilizes the mix and does nothing to extend storage time. And most make no clarification as to what this "stabilizer" consists of.

The oil we use to mix for our racing engines has a stabilizer in it that prevents separation but does absolutely nothing to extend storage problems. One can only speculate exactly what each companies terminology actually means if there is no content specified for clarity.

For safety sake if you plan to store any mixed 2-stroke fuel I would recommend that you treat it in the same manner that you treat your other fuels unless the container specifically says this stabilizer will prolong storage time. Even if the end result is a "double-dose" of a compound similar to StaBil it won't harm anything.

FWIW..........
 
#44 ·
The only time I use Sta-Bill is for my big engine stuff which may sit for months at a time: aerator, bed edger, mowers in mid-Fall, etc. I have never used it any other time and I never use it regularly. My 2-stroke mix supposedly has the stabilizer in it.

My stuff that sits for months at a time always start easily with Sta-Bil. My other stuff used regularly always start easily without it. My opinion is it's a wasted expense for regular use. I've never had a carb issue since I began in 1999. That's probably 30-40 large engine equipment and 30-40 trimmers and blowers.
 
#45 ·
Active Duty Navy with a background in petroleum.

Diesel (Trucks/Generators/etc.) Stored in vented (outdoor) tank, no stabilizer of any kind, some several years old, runs beautifully but everything is run through a 10 micron water block element and a 2 micron polishing filter before it ever goes in any equipment. Equipment storage: Shut it off.

Gasoline (Mowers/Pressure washer/Inverter Generator/etc.) 87 octane pump gas, no need to stabilize the regular rotation, goes in the fueling station in the trailer, use as needed. I keep some "Hurricane Emergency" Gasoline with stabilizer (Marine grade Sta-bil) in Sealed non-vented NATO style Jerry can's, that I try to rotate out every 12 months, but I've gone over 2 years with no issues. Equipment Storage: Fill and stabilize tanks/run carbs dry, or for longer term storage empty tanks and run carbs dry.

2-Stroke (HH/Backpack Blowers/Chainsaws) 93 octane pump gas/Echo Red Armor Oil. No other additives used. Equipment storage: Honestly for the HH's/Blowers I never even bother doing any prep for winter storage as diaphragm carbs are much less susceptible to tarnish build up than a vented float carb. Chainsaws that are used infrequently I'll drain and run dry after use.

Never bothered to buy Ethanol free fuel. Is it better, yes, but almost never worth the increased price.
 
#46 ·
There are a few old threads on this, but nothing in the last several years, so I figured I'd open the debate up again. Have at it!

Sometime back when ethanol became the norm as a gas additive, I started putting Sta-bil in my mix and four stroke tanks at every fill up. I think a mechanic told me or I read it somewhere in a manual that it was a good idea to alleviate the impacts of ethanol on small engine parts. I was running three chainsaws at the time, some blowers, trimmers, hedgers etc. The chainsaws I was running full time selling firewood but the other equipment saw less use, and things like the hedger might have gotten used three or four times a year. My thinking was that I didn't need to worry as much about leaving gas around for long times if it had the stabilizer in it. Truth is, I have several pieces of equipment that are 17-20 plus years old, still running well, had few issues, and have probably ran Sta-Bil thru nearly every tank since 2006 or so. I know ethanol free gas is preferrable, but just a few stations here carry it that are often out of the way depending on my project that day.

Recently an employee told me what I was doing was wrong and that I was actually doing harm to my engines by constantly running Sta Bil thru them. I pointed out that my equipment from 15 years ago is still running, and I have done very little maintenance on a few items. We argued about it a bit, and the next week he asked three people for their opinions: an equipmnet rental yard owner, a Stihl shop owner and the owners son. They all said that the stabilizer was not needed, and the rental owner said it would cause the powerheads to get too hot and eventually damage them...He said that two stroke oil already has stabilizers in it, and if anything, just to put a little two stroke in my straight gas if I am storing a long time.

Whatcha all think?
I don’t see how sta bil will hurt anything. I have been buying ethanol shields brand of 2 cycle oil for a number of years now. I buy it by the case from Home Depot (you get a discount that way) it comes in the easy to measure and pour containers like other brands do and it already has the ethanol shield in it. So far it’s worked well for me. I run all my small hand helds out of gas before winter storage and haven’t had any issues. I just let them idle till they stall out. I’ve done this for 15 years effectively.
 
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#47 ·
Just talked with a neighbor that spent hundreds on a carb rebuild for his boat motor.
The mechanic cautioned him to use only "Recreation gas" from now on.....⛽
 
#51 ·
That's the problem. I have three chainsaws, two line trimmers, concrete saw, plate compactor, three blowers, lawnmower, power polesaw, maybe a few others I can't think of right now. They are not in constant use. I'd have to write down the last time I used each piece of equipment to know if it had gas in the tank that was 30 days old.

I am now ultra convinced in the efficacy of StaBil and here's why. I bought a new handheld Echo blower last year for a second lead guy; already had the identical model that was at least 10 years old. The old one stays with me and has had a steady diet of StaBil gas since I bought it, always starts right up no matter how long it has sat around. My employee who uses the new blower uses it irregularly and has been filling over the last year with gas that has the Stihl 2 stroke oil but no stabiliser. I recently took it to a job, I don't know when the last time it had been used, or how old the gas was in it. It would not start...20 to 30 pulls, full choke, half choke, no choke....no start. Left it for two hours...30 more pulls, no start.

So I pour a little StaBil in the tank and let it sit for two hours then come back. 10 good pulls to get some gas flowing and on the last pull I feel a faint bit of cranking happening, one or two more pulls and its definitely trying to start and by the 15th pull it is running like new again.. Turn it off...and it starts again on the first pull.
I believe the StaBil got in the fuel lines and carb and cleaned up whatever was causing the no start issue...