I ran the Redmax oil for years. I know run the Amsoil . I still have my original Redmax trimmer and EBZ 8000 blower that are 7 years old. Great stuff. I run the Amsoil in my mowers also. You can get an Amsoil commercial account and buy it at a good discount. If you want it cheaper you can pay a little and get your Amsoil dealership and save even more.

 

OK fellas, all I run is Stihl handhelds, most of which are the 4-mix variety. I have used Stihl HP Ultra 50:1 with 93 octane gas exclusively and have been very happy with it. However, this stuff is getting out of sight price wise and I'm looking for a fully synthetic alternative that resists carbon build up like the HP Ultra does.

I've heard good things about some "cycle" oils like Amsoil, Klotz, Maxima K2 and a few others. I know this is a fairly complex topic and should make for a good debate.

I use the same oil and octane as you. I have no intentions of changing. The cost is small compared to buying new equipment as far as I'm concerned. I may not go through it as fast as a lot of guys here, but I still use plenty. I am very happy with its low smoke, and clean burn qualities. I know a lot of guys use amsoil, and maybe it's even better, but I'm stubborn.

Maybe buying it buy the gallon, or 5 gallon size would be more cost efficient? I have never checked into those sizes for price. Has anyone else?

 

I am using the Stihl ultra with 93 octane also made a huge difference so I am sticking with it.

 

I have been using amsoil and 93 octane for about 12 years I have Echo trimmers 10 years old a backpack Echo 12 years Echo hedge trimmer 9 years and a 8 year old Shidiawa trimmer

 

I had been using Amsoil back in the mid 90's in highly modified Sea-Doo's and knew it was good oil. I used to pay the $20 a year fee to be a preferred customer so I could get it at dealer cost. It made a lot of difference when buying 4 gallons of their highest performance racing oil. I was happy when I found Hoyt aka Amsoil Power on these forums and he was offering commercial Amsoil accounts so that I would not have to pay the year fee anymore. But, there is plenty of reason to use their oil besides getting a good deal on it.

I only use Amsoil products in my 2 stroke equipment and mower. I had never ran the Saber 100:1 2 stroke oil until a few years ago and have never looked back. When I ran the Echo semi-synthetic oil in a new SRM-210 I soon found that the 210 was oozing black oil from the muffler. I soon switched to Amsoil Saber and no more oozing oil. I've used it Saber in my chainsaws, blowers and trimmers ever since and have had no problem at all and you also won't have smelly 2 stroke exhaust smell all over your clothes. It will also save you money as well so it's a no lose proposition.

 

I usually use Amsoil Sabre mixed at 80:1. Every once in a while I'll try something different just to make sure I'm not missing out on anything. Right now I have Stihl HP Ultra at 50:1 and boy does this stuff stink. I also see a whole lot more smoke and that means the plugs will get fouled quicker too. I definately prefer the Amsoil Sabre.

 

I use redmax oil in redmax trimmer and blower as well as my echo hedge trimmer and chain saw with regular gas 89 octan everything is running great and start easy and seems to run strong.

 

amzoil works great in 4 mix.

 

Do you guys think the Amsoil Saber will burn as clean or cleaner than the Stihl HP Ultra? As you know, the Stihl 4-mix engines need to run as clean as possible to avoid carbon deposits on the valves.

 

Just briefly checked pricing on the Amsoil Saber and it looks like it's as expensive as HP Ultra. Anybody have a resource for case pricing?

 

Do you guys think the Amsoil Saber will burn as clean or cleaner than the Stihl HP Ultra? As you know, the Stihl 4-mix engines need to run as clean as possible to avoid carbon deposits on the valves.

I don't know if the Stihl oil is as clean burning as the Amsoil but this much I do know. I NEVER have any oil related problem with Amsoil mixed at 80:1. No deposits to clean out, no clogged mufflers, spark plugs last a longggg time, stuff like that.

 

Did some more research on pricing. I can a get a case (12, 8oz. bottles which will make 60 gallons at 80:1) of Amsoil Saber for $63.24 delivered to my doorstep direct from Amsoil. For 60 gallons of Stihl HP Ultra it would cost me $83.85. Over the course of a season I could save several hundred dollars.

 

Did some more research on pricing. I can a get a case (12, 8oz. bottles which will make 60 gallons at 80:1) of Amsoil Saber for $63.24 delivered to my doorstep direct from Amsoil. For 60 gallons of Stihl HP Ultra it would cost me $83.85. Over the course of a season I could save several hundred dollars.

Now you're starting to see why so many of us use Amsoil Sabre. BTW, it's not cycle oil.

 

You're correct Richard, thanks! Yes, as I read all the specs on the Amsoil site it is definitely a dedicated oil for our applications.

I just hope that it is as smoke free as the HP Ultra and keeps carbon build-up off of my 4-mix engines.

 

Another long time Amsoil user here. I use it in all 2 cycles for 12 years now and will not change. It is great stuff. I also have used it at 100:1 which I know scares some of you guys but still no lockups or problems whatsoever.

 

I usually use Amsoil Sabre mixed at 80:1. Every once in a while I'll try something different just to make sure I'm not missing out on anything. Right now I have Stihl HP Ultra at 50:1 and boy does this stuff stink. I also see a whole lot more smoke and that means the plugs will get fouled quicker too. I definately prefer the Amsoil Sabre.

Maybe it's the fuel in your area or something, because the HP doesn't smell bad at all in any of my equipment using our fuel in this area (as you know there is a difference in additives from region to region depending on the normal climate there, so maybe that has something to do with it). In fact, I have commented to a couple people now about the fact that I think this stuff smells good compared to other 2 stroke oils. I don't get any smoke other than at start up from a cold start (mainly in late fall), and I've never had to change a plug yet either.

Heck, my 9 year old SH85 is still running strong on the original plug and the plain jane Stihl orange bottle oil/93 octane.

 

Someone please explain what amsoil is, where you can get it, and why you can mix it 80:1 in a 50:1 machine

 

Someone please explain what amsoil is, where you can get it, and why you can mix it 80:1 in a 50:1 machine

http://www.amsoil.com/

There's a dealer locator in there. I just used it to find that I have one not very far from me, and contacted them. I'll see what happens.

 

Someone please explain what amsoil is, where you can get it, and why you can mix it 80:1 in a 50:1 machine

Amsoil Sabre is a very high (extreme perhaps) quality 2 stroke mix oil that is made specifically for air cooled 2 strokes.

As to why you can mix it at 80:1 or even as high as 100:1, you'll have to consult the Amsoil engineers. All I know is I've been using it since 2001 and have yet to have a single oil related problem.

 

we find great success with opti 2 oil. i would like to however try some amsoil sometime cuz we like their oil so far in our mowers....but, if it aint broke dont fix it right?

 

OK fellas, all I run is Stihl handhelds, most of which are the 4-mix variety. I have used Stihl HP Ultra 50:1 with 93 octane gas exclusively and have been very happy with it. However, this stuff is getting out of sight price wise and I'm looking for a fully synthetic alternative that resists carbon build up like the HP Ultra does.

I've heard good things about some "cycle" oils like Amsoil, Klotz, Maxima K2 and a few others. I know this is a fairly complex topic and should make for a good debate.

I run the exact same oil and gas. Never have any problems.

 

I have been using Amsoil for 5 or 6 years now. Last year I switched from the HP Injecter oil which I run in my 250 Yamaha outboard to the 100-1 Sabre. I was mixing it probably 50-1 then went to 70-1. Any way all my 2 stroke stuff shows nothing in the exhaust except the new 86 series Stihl and 4mix equipment. Havent had to change plugs but all the spark arrestors had to be removed. They wouldnt run. And all of them have really back exhaust on the plastic. Keep the vv's adjusted and they run fine, just wondering if anyone else has this problem. And I have change gas stations and that helped a little.

 

Well, like I said above I'm stubborn, but, I'm not stupid, so today I did some checking and found a private Amsoil dealer right near me. Also, tonight the wife and I went out to buy a new battery for my CUT, and while there noticed the place was an Amsoil dealer too, so I picked up 2 quarts of Saber for $11.43 each since I was right there, he had it on his shelves, and I didn't have to make any other trip to get it. When I got home I found I had received a reply from my local dealer as well, and he has the quarts for $10.75 each. 8 oz of Saber mixed at 80:1 makes 5 gallons, so a quart makes 20 gallons.

A quick check tells me that 32 oz (equal to 5- 6.4 oz bottles of HP Ultra) mixed at 80:1 makes 20 gallons for an approximate average of $11.00 worth of oil. Mixing it at the same 50:1 as the HP Ultra recommends, still makes 12.5 gallons for the same $11.00 worth of oil.

A 6 pack of 6.4 oz bottles of HP Ultra runs $23.00 on average around me. Each bottle makes 2.5 gallons at 50:1. 6 Bottles (38.4 oz total) makes 15 gallons of fuel mix for $23.00 worth of oil. 38.4 oz for 15 gallons of fuel vs. 32 oz for 12.5 gallons of fuel at 50:1, or 38.4 for 15 gallons of fuel at 50:1 vs. 32 oz for 20 gallons of fuel at 80:1. That's quite a savings on just that small amount of oil.

Now, as long as the performance is the same as (or better) than the HP Ultra, I'd have to be dumb to not at least try it. Over time that will really add up.

 

Amsoil Sabre Pro mixed at 100:1. Switched a few years back. Cut way down on deposits. No failures even with the extra heat and use this year. Some guys seem squeamish about running that lean a ratio.
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